I Really Dislike Frank Sinatra: How alone am I?

yeah, this whole "no, so-and-so was the most important" stuff is k-boring.

and i agree this stuff is k-boring, but amg started it!

Those wacky AMG dudes! Sometimes they right, sometimes...but the above is one stupid-ass statement. Obviously, it's Louis Armstrong. I think Bing and the Chairman would've agreed...Elvis, I dunno, he would've said "that little negor fellow we bumped into on the Strip," or something. Or one of the Blackwoods maybe. That's one thing I never got about Elvis--why couldn't he have called up Sinatra and said, "I wish to work with the guys who play for you, that Bill Miller..Basie, is he available?" It's one of the reasons I say Sinatra over Elvis--I mean, OK, Elvis did use some good guys like in his band, like James Burton, they were fine, but he could've done so much more. "The New New Tennessee Waltz: Elvis and Jimmy Rowles Sing and Play Stick McGhee." "Elvis/Dolphy Summit at the Chicken Shack!!," an album of Louis Jordan tunes arr. by Oliver Nelson. "Delta Duck Got Webb-Foot: Presley, Jim Webb Style." "Hillbilly Bop: Elvis Presley and Sonny Stitt, Burnin' at the Village Vanguard." Instead, he hung out in Vegas and Memphis and ate Nutty Buddies. I don't get it...I guess he really didn't have any fuckin' idea what he was doing, and Sinatra did.

TS: Sinatra's racist banter vs. Eminem shooting gays

uh, you don't get it

I can't stand Frank, either. Beautiful voice, I will grant you, but most of his music makes me want to kill myself. Depressing stuff when you think about it.

But that's so often what makes it great! I imagine you don't like Joy Division either.

He wasn't too popular with the GI's coming back in '45 and '46 either.

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Songs for Swingin' Lovers, A Swingin' Affair, Come Fly With Me, Come Dance With Me and Sinatra's Swingin' Session!!! — all of which are great — are hardly depressing affairs.

I still have a vivid memory of being in the back seat of my parents' car as a youngster on a rainy day, and hearing the radio play Frank's version of "Cottage For Sale." Being a rock and roll loving youth, I thought this was the most lugubrious, horrible song ever, and it pretty much summed up what I thought of Sinatra in general. It took me another decade or so to come around to the swingier stuff, and even longer to "get" this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_hVwk3CXzk

yipee! i'm not alone. FS couldn't sing! the songwriting is terrible too, though i'm not sure if that's his fault.
― xenografia, Wednesday, February 2, 2005 4:20 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark

can we look into retroactive SBs?

also re: My Way, Frankie himself hated that song for many of the reasons listed ITT. He hated the lyrical content.

Jesus fuck, this thread is a monument to tin-eared idiocy.

You just need to get him under your skin to appreciate him.

Man, fuck Frank Sinatra; I can't go out for Italian, go to a mall, go to the fucking dentist without hearing this shit nonstop!

"music for people who don't really like music," is right

I could listen to the sad-bastard ballad albums forever tbh, but fuck ever listening to the upbeat stuff

So you haven't got the world on a swing?

geez Dan I, an awful lotta musicians like Sinatra.

Jesus fuck, this thread is a monument to tin-eared idiocy.

― that's not funny. (unperson), Wednesday, February 9, 2011 1:46 AM (six years ago)

yeah, what he said.

I'd rather listen to racists, homophobes, misogynists -- hell, even rockists -- than hear little boys crying wolf about it.
― Heidy- Ho, Thursday, February 3, 2005 5:02 PM (thirteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha this is classic old skool ilm - rockism as being perhaps worse than racism, homophobia, and misogyny

I could listen to the sad-bastard ballad albums forever tbh, but fuck ever listening to the upbeat stuff

― Simon H., Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:46 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk man i feel like you need both sides

It took me forever to realize that Sinatra's style reminds me post of spoken word poets. You either buy into how he's using rhythm and emoting across the sung lines and it gels when the material is good or it just seems incredibly indulgent and induces terminal eye-rolling

are there any Sinatra songs with falsetto?

idk man i feel like you need both sides

just not his "Both Sides Now"

lol i set it up, you knocked it down morbs

stick around, jack, it may show

besides disliking his musical output a lot there's something really off-putting about his face

like i try not to judge because people can't help their face shape, but he always makes me think of a sculpture bust that was so badly made it turned cursed and malevolent

Man, fuck Frank Sinatra; I can't go out for Italian, go to a mall, go to the fucking dentist without hearing this shit nonstop!

― Dan I., Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:41 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

first thing I picture when I hear his music in my head is the Maggiano's next to the Border's near my parents house blaring Sinatra out front.

Man, fuck Frank Sinatra; I can't go out for Italian, go to a mall, go to the fucking dentist without hearing this shit nonstop!

― Dan I., Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:41 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

weird, i don't hear him played as background music anywhere.

Literally everywhere that wants to project "class" or "manliness" or "classy manliness"

MitchDan I., out!

I mean, i don't spend a lot of time in haberdasheries, but I assume it's all sinatra all the time

Sinatra fucking rules btw

fuuuuck frank sinatra right in his smug mouth

Or, IDK, maybe it was excusable in his heyday but being into Sinatra was already atavistic in the 70s, forget about now.