yeah, that is unbelievable. i knew he was young when they started, but holy shit
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 19 September 2020 04:32 (three years ago) link
its good that they were easy on the eyeshttps://alloverthesilence.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/tumblr_mztp6iftrc1qzezj5o3_1280.jpg
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 19 September 2020 05:18 (three years ago) link
https://www.twintone.com/mats-scrapbook/ttpromo/mats8504.jpeg
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 19 September 2020 05:28 (three years ago) link
xxpost: Maybe 49:00 could be one track? Does a definitive list of distinct songs even exist?
Maybe one track with notes, if you like.
Might be worth noting preferred versions on ballots too, come to think of it. Not least for things like the Dead Man's Pop stuff. I'll combine votes in the final tally, but am happy to keep track of differing versions where a distinction is made.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 19 September 2020 05:30 (three years ago) link
another one of vv baby Tommyhttps://images.publicradio.org/content/2014/09/09/20140909_the-replacements_33.jpg
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 19 September 2020 05:38 (three years ago) link
that's not tommy, that's tina weymouth's daughter
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 19 September 2020 05:40 (three years ago) link
If anyone has or can link to a good post-PTMM list of their work it’d be appreciated.
*Eno voice* - “Their third record sold adequately, but everyone who heard it unfortunately became aware of Kiss.”
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 19 September 2020 06:05 (three years ago) link
i don't even know - what are the early period consensus favorites? watching something like this, from 1981, the whole show is brilliant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHBE7o_WWsI
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 19 September 2020 06:20 (three years ago) link
xxpost well i learned something today
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 19 September 2020 06:21 (three years ago) link
if this poll is worth it’s salt it’ll go ahead and cancel two results in bc its too drunk to continue
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 19 September 2020 08:24 (three years ago) link
<3
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 19 September 2020 15:37 (three years ago) link
I listened to Tim last night and realized most if not all of it will be on my ballot
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 19 September 2020 15:38 (three years ago) link
Same. And weirdly, I could only come up with one Don't Tell A Soul song that I would definitely put on my ballot, and three from All Shook Down...but I feel like I prefer DTAS as an album. Which doesn't make any sense. I have some relistening to do.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 19 September 2020 15:43 (three years ago) link
yep
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 19 September 2020 15:48 (three years ago) link
I feel obligated to participate in this one but I dont' really wanna.
― ABBA O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 19 September 2020 16:02 (three years ago) link
you w-w-w-w-on't?
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 19 September 2020 16:23 (three years ago) link
I went through their discography on Wikipedia and jotted down the 16 easy picks for me. So I'll push my ballot to 20 songs--I don't like to fill out lists with songs I like but don't love.
Does a 20-song ballot get 340 points then?
― clemenza, Saturday, 19 September 2020 17:01 (three years ago) link
just picked 16 songs from the big three albums, gotta reacquaint with the rest.
pretty positive I already know what my number one is, though
― i got a homogenic björk wine farmer permabanned (voodoo chili), Saturday, 19 September 2020 17:28 (three years ago) link
Anyone considering Dead Man's Pop instead of Don't Tell a Soul? (assuming either would have made your top 5)
― birdistheword, Saturday, 19 September 2020 21:23 (three years ago) link
Haven't but certainly would pick the one over the other.
― ABBA O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 19 September 2020 21:33 (three years ago) link
Does a 20-song ballot get 340 points then?An unranked one does, yes. A ranked ballot gets significantly more as 21-30 get the tiniest weightings.A few polls back I toyed with giving 'shorter' unranked ballots approximately the same number of total points as a ranked one of the same length, but it meant deciding on a different value per entry for each ballot length, and ever longer explanations. Given that folks overwhelmingly (i) opt for a ranked ballot and (ii) torture themselves for ages over what to leave out, it felt like I was thinking too hard about a 'problem' that barely seems to arise. :)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 19 September 2020 23:31 (three years ago) link
Okay--I'll add up what #1-20 would get on a full ballot and work something out (I generally like to rank the top five songs and then cluster the rest in groups).
― clemenza, Sunday, 20 September 2020 01:11 (three years ago) link
sorry ma, forgot to take out the trash kind of rules! it's a little inconsistent, but kick your door down, customer, takin' a ride, shutup...
i am not a replacements live footage connoisseur, but i thought this video was great too:
there's a second set, too
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 20 September 2020 01:26 (three years ago) link
Seeing as I didn't explain it very well up top in English, the proposed scoring in is now in the spreadsheet in the second post. Just to the right of the tracks list. And I changed the side-project weights such that they follow the same basic pattern as the main tracks poll.
Clemenza: just confirming, the total points in a ranked list of twenty is 452, so take that as your total if you want go with bespoke weightings.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 20 September 2020 02:41 (three years ago) link
Sent mine in earlier--20 songs, 452 points.
― clemenza, Sunday, 20 September 2020 02:54 (three years ago) link
Some of the Sorry Ma tracks that stick with longest after listening are ones that depart a little from the, er, formula. "Kick Your Door Down", "Johnny's Gonna Die", "Otto", etc. And "Go" on Stink... which is kinda amazing. The wimpy tracks, probably, LOL.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 20 September 2020 03:00 (three years ago) link
Oh, *three* ballots in already, in fact. Nice. Wasn't going to bother checking that mailbox for a few days yet.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 20 September 2020 03:05 (three years ago) link
Go" on Stink... which is kinda amazing.
so far, "go" has been my biggest "discovery" of this poll, it is fantastic.
also, i've always thought of pleased to meet me as a step down from tim and let it be, but i'm really loving it this morning. "the ledge" sounds like a guest spot from kurt cobain, at times
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 20 September 2020 15:18 (three years ago) link
another connection/influence i didn't pick up on until recently was fogerty/CCR, down to sometimes pronouncing r's as w's. it seems like an overt nod at some times ("huwwy up! huwwy up!" in can't hardly wait) but other times, in live shows and stuff, it seems to bleed through as part of his dna.
i dunno, i might be overreading all that
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 20 September 2020 15:36 (three years ago) link
“Go” is incredible, and PTMM might be — some days — my favourite ‘Mats record. Stoked for this poll!
― The little engine that choogled (hardcore dilettante), Sunday, 20 September 2020 15:37 (three years ago) link
i think the slightly slicked up production on PTMM used to bother me a little more. even today, i think i like the rougher alternate version of Can't Hardly Wait on the expanded PTMM better than the album version (i like the slowed down acoustic version on the expanded Tim most of all).
but for the most part, especially the first side and the last couple on the other, it's so good!
for some reason it was "i don't know" that slapped me on the head, this morning. i didn't even remember that song. i can't figure out if it's an extremely simple song or if it's actually very strange - it makes me feel like an aggressive 1930s detective on amphetamines, and i'm not even sure what that means.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 20 September 2020 15:50 (three years ago) link
I was going to submit an album list--I could rank their albums compared to each other--but the truth is, I don't care for at least a third to a half of every one of them. The one album of theirs I almost uniformly love is the Rhino compilation, Don't You Know Who I Think I Was?. 20 songs, just like my ballot, and the overlap is 13 songs.
I don't think they were very good at telling great from good from mediocre--or, more likely, they just didn't care. And I totally realize that that was intrinsic to why they were so great. They didn't fuss a lot trying to make a Perfect Album.
Please! I say these things as a huge fan (one of my ten favourite bands for sure--not top five). I'm not trying to be a downer on this thread. Picking out my 15 favourite songs took approximately a minute, those songs are so good.
― clemenza, Sunday, 20 September 2020 16:03 (three years ago) link
I didn’t get into The Replacements until the last 10 years or so. I knew Paul’s solo songs from the Singles soundtrack which I liked, but never dug any deeper or even came across any Replacements through friends or radioWhich is a weird regret I have, just in terms of knowing how much I would have dug them if I had come across them in high school or college, they are just so completely my bag as far as lyrics/music goes. Confession: playing/singing “Alex Chilton” on Rockband was when the floodgates opened & I bought their whole discography in like a week
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:14 (three years ago) link
Can one vote for the All Shook Down demos in the album category? They were released on the 2008 expanded edition but never on their own, afaict. It's a toss-up between that and Dead Man's Pop for the #5 slot, for me.
― bunny slopes, Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:59 (three years ago) link
Confession: playing/singing “Alex Chilton” on Rockband was when the floodgates opened & I bought their whole discography in like a week
same deal with me and steely dan's "do it again" on guitar hero. as i was learning the solo and hearing it over and over (and drinking heavily), i gained a new appreciation for the vibe of the song that i never understood before
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 20 September 2020 20:07 (three years ago) link
Can one vote for the All Shook Down demos in the album category?
This is tricky. I'm inclined to say no, given they weren't packaged as a standalone entity. Dead Man's Pop seems way less problematic. Seems slightly unfortunate for the ASD material: if they did transform it into a Dead Man's Pop-like package a year from now I guess I would be saying it was eligible. :(
Somewhat related: any objections to Stink being treated as an album for these purposes?
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 21 September 2020 00:17 (three years ago) link
Wait, someone doesn’t consider Stink an album?!
― The little engine that choogled (hardcore dilettante), Monday, 21 September 2020 00:22 (three years ago) link
Haha. It's just that it's *checks* 14:24 minutes long and frequently listed as an EP. Thought I best raise it now to eliminate any possibility of "wait, we were allowed to vote Stink?" during the rollout. I may even vote for it myself!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 21 September 2020 00:30 (three years ago) link
Fun fact: 7 ballots so far. 72 distinct Replacements tracks and 30 solo/side-project tracks have appeared.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 21 September 2020 02:14 (three years ago) link
I knuckled down & did some homework this weekend; now have 30 tracks locked & loaded...
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 21 September 2020 02:25 (three years ago) link
ballot should be forthcoming this wk
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 21 September 2020 02:26 (three years ago) link
Rhino may put together a disc of demos or alternates for All Shook Down like they did with Pleased to Meet Me, but I doubt they'll do a brand-new, full-on remix like they did with Dead Man's Pop - that was a special case because not only were they unhappy with the final result, Westerberg and Matt Wallace discussed in detail what a remix would entail many times over a long period of time and they had the original rough mixes as physical foundation. Tommy Stinson actually believes All Shook Down is their best album, so he definitely would not see a need to "fix" it.
Re: the Replacement's imperfect construction of their albums, I agree with this to a limited extent. I wish Bob Stinson hadn't vetoed "You're Getting Married" from Hootenanny, the circulating full-band outtake is a great, lost track, but otherwise there's nothing I'd change about any of the Twin/Tone records, I love them all and would listen to them start-to-finish. Even "If Only You Were Lonely" feels perfect as a left-field B-side gem rather than an album track.
It's only the Sire years where it gets a little frustrating for me, but the reissues have more or less rectified any problems with track selection. On Tim, I swapped out "Dose of Thunder" and "Lay It Down Clown" with "Nowhere Is My Home" and "Can't Hardly Wait" (from All for Nothing/Nothing for All). On Pleased to Meet Me, to avoid redundancy I swapped out the horns-and-strings "Can't Hardly Wait" for "Birthday Gal" (again from All for Nothing/Nothing for All) - I do wish "P.O. Box (Photo)" progressed beyond demo form, that would've been great to add. And thankfully we now have Dead Man's Pop to go with "Portland," "We Know the Night" and "Wake Up," so with some adjustments, those first three Sire albums now hang together for me from end-to-end. Some songs are better than others, but I still find plenty to like about the "lesser" tracks.
― birdistheword, Monday, 21 September 2020 03:08 (three years ago) link
It seems particularly insane that the likes of "Portland" and "Wake Up" were discarded circa DTAS. Both of those, plus the aforementioned "Nowhere Is My Home" and "P.O. Box (Photo)" remain on my shortlist...
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 21 September 2020 03:25 (three years ago) link
Yeah, but it sounds like they were scared shitless on what to put out next because their career was very much on the line. If the two prior Sire albums had, say, easily gone gold within a year (i.e. doubled their modest sales), I wonder if that would've taken off enough pressure for them to be much more comfortable with where they wanted to go musically-speaking.
― birdistheword, Monday, 21 September 2020 03:50 (three years ago) link
trying to figure out what i think of don't tell a soul and dead man's pop?
i keep going back forth on 'talent show' - again, i hear the springsteen influence and can't tell if it's supposed to be an homage or not (the verse melody of 'dancing in the dark' runs throughout it, and he hums it at times after the choruses)
― Karl Malone, Monday, 21 September 2020 15:36 (three years ago) link
Solo-wise, will be fun to review what I have (most all of Paul's cd/digital stuff, Tommy's Perfect and first Bash & Pop, though no Chris, Slim or Bob albums). Pretty sure "Good Day" will be my number one. That and "Sunrise Always Listens" have been great cushions over the years.
Reading this thread is a good spur to pre-order the PTMM set.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Monday, 21 September 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link
i liked the Paul & Juliana Hatfield collab album from a few years ago (2016? 2014?) .. released as The I Don’t Caresthe tracks where they harmonize together are the highlights for me
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 21 September 2020 18:29 (three years ago) link
i love Good Day by Tommy! i will def be votong for that
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 21 September 2020 18:30 (three years ago) link
voting even
oooo, first poll that's lured me back in in a while. I will definitely vote. On the solo stuff I need to go back to those Chris Mars albums, haven't listened in a while.
So if I'm reading this right, Chinese Democracy qualifies as a Replacements project, right?
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 21 September 2020 18:53 (three years ago) link
ffs
― Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 02:59 (three years ago) link
'Nag!3' - my bad - I just realized in my original ballot, I accidentally pasted a 'draft' from another text file. What I just sent you is my preferred 'ranked' 'Category One' list. If it's too late, and 'Never Mind' gets an extra vote skew - 'Never Mind' I guess!
― BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 03:04 (three years ago) link
lol this deadline feels v punk rock now
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 03:13 (three years ago) link
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― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 03:22 (three years ago) link
I've been totes digging that Leatherwoods track
glad you like. that whole leatherwoods album -- they only made one -- is really good!
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 05:25 (three years ago) link
works for me, kinda like a rolling pin.
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 05:28 (three years ago) link
SENT!
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 05:44 (three years ago) link
Okay, I'll close this thing now to finalise the albums and solo/other stats. I'll begin the rollout with those, hopefully in the morning (my time), perhaps 10 hours from now.
Though if anyone sneaks in a last minute submission for the main tracks poll while I sleep I'm hardly going to exclude it from the tally. :)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 10:01 (three years ago) link
wait for me!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 10:15 (three years ago) link
sent!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 10:17 (three years ago) link
*thumbs up*
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 10:25 (three years ago) link
I would think you'd get a lot of voters in that one--at least 40.― clemenza, Friday, September 18, 2020
Pretty close, it turns out: 38
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 10:59 (three years ago) link
XXXPOST:If it's too late, and 'Never Mind' gets an extra vote skew - 'Never Mind' I guess!
I meant to mention that. I removed the duplicate at the time and intended ask whether you wanted to substitute something else in. Sorry!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 11:43 (three years ago) link
Anything you want, I’ll Nag! Nag! Nag!
― Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 15:00 (three years ago) link
38 votes, nice! i'm excited for all of this.
― president of my cat (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 15:09 (three years ago) link
re: albums you know it's not that I think PTMM is exponentially greater than any of the records from the classic run. I just think for really the only time in Paul's career solo or otherwise, they found a perfect producer where the whole ends up being more than the sum of the parts.
― campreverb, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 15:18 (three years ago) link
Ha, that is definitely clear from listening to all their albums back to back. They were recorded and mixed badly in many different ways! Although I don't mind the murk on Let It Be, it suits the album.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 15:38 (three years ago) link
― Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 16:05 (three years ago) link
When I listened on LPs the messed up recording could bother me a bit, but now with streaming/remastering/listening through earbuds there is kind of a flattening effect.
― Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 16:07 (three years ago) link
Hell-o-o?
― Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 19:27 (three years ago) link
nag3, it's your man on the inside, reporting in. central time is 2:28pm, i repeat, CST is four teen two eight, charlie mike
― president of my cat (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 19:28 (three years ago) link
Haha. Okay, I think I'm ready....
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 19:58 (three years ago) link
wow, almost exactly 10 hours later!!
― president of my cat (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 19:59 (three years ago) link
tbh, such punctuality seems at odds with the spirit of the replacements, but still, i'm here for it
I hate ILoveMusic, it's got too many POLLS - Artist Poll #104 - THE REPLACEMENTS - RESULTS
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 20:05 (three years ago) link