Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

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convincing hope Cory Gardner

error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 20 September 2020 14:55 (three years ago) link

Hadrian, honest question, what is your proposed alternative strategy?

velcro-magnon (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 20 September 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link

There is only one thing to do: promise them—every day between now and the election—that if Graham et al go back on their word from 2016 and try to push through this appointment, that when the Dems take control of the senate they will kill the filibuster on day one. That's it. Period. And then actually follow through.

It's confounding how these people continue to let themselves get kicked in the teeth every single time

error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 20 September 2020 16:51 (three years ago) link

Why in the fuck would anyone in their right mind think that there is another way to derail this? People actually think Susuan Collins is going to see the light and stand in the way of a 6-3 court??

error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 20 September 2020 16:52 (three years ago) link

Mitch McConnell set the precedent. No Supreme Court vacancies filled in an election year. If he violates it, when Democrats control the Senate in the next Congress, we must abolish the filibuster and expand the Supreme Court.

— Ed Markey (@EdMarkey) September 19, 2020

This. All day, every day, on the hour.

error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 20 September 2020 16:53 (three years ago) link

I think it is possible to derail until the election, and if it's lopsided enough in favor of democrats, a lame duck process becomes more difficult. Of course the chances of actually stopping it may be nearly zero.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 20 September 2020 17:00 (three years ago) link

I agree, it's nearly zero...but at least leverage the sitiation politically so you can politically justify doing these things if/once you take power.

I mean...this is it now. This is the whole ballgame.

error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 20 September 2020 17:03 (three years ago) link

back to balls and strikes, eh

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 20 September 2020 17:08 (three years ago) link

Both Romney and Collins at the last minute will be mollified by ‘a rare but welcome show of statesmanship by Trump’ to follow the advice of the hallowed Federalist society and pick 37 year old pervert with a Yale law degree who thinks each citizen should get multiple (or no) votes, based on net worth.

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Sunday, 20 September 2020 17:08 (three years ago) link

The best news for Biden in the four live-interview polls taken so far in Sept. (Fox, Marist, NBC/WSJ, Monmouth) may be that his numbers are holding steady among 1) seniors and 2) non-college whites - the two groups where Trump badly needs to get closer to his '16 numbers.

— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) September 20, 2020

So far, the average of these four polls' crosstabs has Biden +7.5 among seniors (vs. +9 in August) and -22 among non-college whites (vs. -21 in August).

Keep in mind, both these groups are overrepresented in the core battlegrounds (AZ, FL, MI, NC, PA, WI) vs. the nation.

— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) September 20, 2020

By contrast, per @Nate_Cohn, Clinton was -5 among seniors and -29 among non-college whites in final 2016 polls.

— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) September 20, 2020

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 20 September 2020 17:23 (three years ago) link

I have to agree that I think a 6-3 court is a done deal. It's all about winning the Senate and making the court 9-6 in February 2021 and if Dems aren't willing to say and do this then buckle up for the middle ages.

James Gandolfini the Grey (PBKR), Sunday, 20 September 2020 17:24 (three years ago) link

this is pretty cynical...but to the extent it does seem inevitable, and in the probably foolish hope that Chuck Schumer would actually take the so-called nuclear option upon gaining a majority...I wonder if McConnell’s success in seating someone on the court would satisfy enough fence-sitting R voters that they don’t turn out in such force Nov. 3

error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 20 September 2020 17:32 (three years ago) link

No, we have to make the courts 43-6.

origami condom (Neanderthal), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:31 (three years ago) link

prolly so

error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:41 (three years ago) link

Biden's been speaking for the last 15 minutes...reasoning, pleading, logic, fairness, etc. Seems completely wasted.

clemenza, Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:49 (three years ago) link

Getting sick of these emails pic.twitter.com/RCJz8Sz7Mb

— Brendan O'Hare (@brendohare) September 20, 2020

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 September 2020 15:02 (three years ago) link

that is literally every campaign email ever.

you should see Jaime Harrison's. they read like a possessive lover.

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Monday, 21 September 2020 19:57 (three years ago) link

Got my ballot in today's mail; it's already filled out and sealed in its double envelope, ready to be dropped in the box tomorrow.

The Republican Party didn't even bother running anyone for mayor or city council in my city.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 21 September 2020 20:00 (three years ago) link

xp you should read the text of the "email" lol

i got a homogenic björk wine farmer permabanned (voodoo chili), Monday, 21 September 2020 21:32 (three years ago) link

Hahaha welp expanding woulda helped

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Monday, 21 September 2020 23:43 (three years ago) link

Biden Campaigns Door-To-Door In JPMorgan Chase Headquarters https://t.co/DoCDxSzN89 pic.twitter.com/k97WvFdj8M

— The Onion (@TheOnion) September 22, 2020

I lolled, then lolled again at the replies.

calzino, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 08:38 (three years ago) link

The New York Times
Opinion
Biden Could Be Our Second Catholic President. It Doesn’t Matter.

error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 22:09 (three years ago) link

ok thx

error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 22:10 (three years ago) link

~then why did you write it~

superdeep borehole (harbl), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 22:16 (three years ago) link

Is he a freemason? I hope so.

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 22:19 (three years ago) link

Which is to say that he is an ordinary Democrat — more or less his explicit pitch. Perhaps Catholics have earned the right to no distinction, the privilege of blending seamlessly into the social and political landscape of the United States, the freedom of having no special moral obligations. And what a wide, barren, featureless liberty it is. In summary Catholicism, like the United States, is a land of contrasts.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 22:20 (three years ago) link

Oh.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 22:29 (three years ago) link

lol

As Juan Guaidó speaks about the Venezuelan humanitarian crisis and the crimes against humanity perpetrated by Maduro, I reaffirm my commitment to stand with the Venezuelan people.

A Biden-Harris administration will always champion democracy and human rights around the world. https://t.co/N2uhrYOBcx

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) September 24, 2020

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 24 September 2020 04:21 (three years ago) link

cool!

Simon H., Thursday, 24 September 2020 05:23 (three years ago) link

Cool, as in 'we actually don't support democracy, but coups aimed at supporting our buddies in the financial sector'?

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 24 September 2020 11:34 (three years ago) link

Like I'm sorry, there's no way anyone with any knowledge of US foreign policy can take that shit seriously. Just more running roughshod and exploiting innocent people in the global south, then telling the honkies back home that you understand their concerns about their new Spanish-speaking neighbors.

It's that kind of tweet that makes people like me wonder whether it's worth voting for one piece of shit over another.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 24 September 2020 11:36 (three years ago) link

So you support Maduro?

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 24 September 2020 13:15 (three years ago) link

Do you support Guaido?

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 24 September 2020 13:28 (three years ago) link

No, probably the best thing we can do is let in more immigrants at this point. I’m not sure why Maduro gets a free pass though.

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 24 September 2020 13:39 (three years ago) link

A lifting of sanctions and dialogue between the two sides would be good but we have Biden supporting someone whose only interest is to be president via illegal means. Just turn to Bolivia to see how that's going.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 24 September 2020 13:43 (three years ago) link

I don’t read that tweet as support for Guiado. It’s as much a call for elections as anything. Probably Guiado would stand a good chance if new elections happened, and he’s a horrible right-wing asshole. But otherwise there’s no democracy in Venezuela at all for the foreseeable future.

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 24 September 2020 13:52 (three years ago) link

The Bolivarian revolution was one that came about from popular organizing against neoliberal globalization and so-called development forced on Venezuela. The response from the US was sanctions and other isolating tactics and an intentional course of delegitimization through propaganda and murder. Almost *everything* positive that has happened in Venezuela for the past 30 or so years has been completely decimated by a US desire to grab at its resources— any other read is on the side of empire, and thus illegitimate in my book.

The US essentially created the conditions that Maduro inherited from Chavez in order to claim that Maduro and the whole of the Bolivarian revolution was not working so the US could install a right-wing, repressive puppet that would be more amenable to US-based corporations exploiting the country's resources.

I'm not a huge fan of Maduro, but I'm certainly not a fan of Guaido, and anyone who actually believe in the so-called hallowed institute of democracy shouldn't be a fan of Guaido, either.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 24 September 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link

I'm really fucking tired of this idea that the US spreads liberty and democracy when mostly it spreads repression and death.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 24 September 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link

I'm certainly not going to argue with that as regards our historical legacy in South and Central America.

It's extremely disappointing that the alternative to Maduro seems to be Guiado. Unfortunately choices at election time are often messy and the prevailing alternatives will offer lots of cons. My general stance is that an incrementalist foreign policy shift in terms of how we treat our southern neighbors should be in favor of encouraging more legitimate elections, fewer human rights abuses, and trying to be mostly hands-off otherwise. I don't think it's practical to just shift to a truly isolationist approach as a way of apologizing for the treatment we meted out during the Cold War. A lot of these countries will still actually want some US involvement to balance China's increasing influence in the region.

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 24 September 2020 16:59 (three years ago) link

In South Florida Venezuelan politics keep getting presented as unyielding binaries, and it frustrates the young.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 September 2020 17:02 (three years ago) link

A lot of countries could say the same about us. The US lecturing countries in the global south about human rights is laughable.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 24 September 2020 17:13 (three years ago) link

I don't disagree with that either but most foreign policy is "laughable" since it's always about looking for number one while selectively supporting certain goals for certain others

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 24 September 2020 17:22 (three years ago) link

I mean if you want to call me cynical on this topic that's fine, all foreign policy is cynical from the outset.

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 24 September 2020 17:23 (three years ago) link

Cynicism is both a diss and a major compliment to canines, when you think about it.

sock solipsist (pomenitul), Thursday, 24 September 2020 17:41 (three years ago) link

phaps it's time for a prez to publicly say FDR's "he's our sonofabitch"

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 September 2020 17:56 (three years ago) link

If there was ever material for one of these thread titles it's "He's trying to have the Constitution of the United States swallow Clorox."

I haven't checked, but I hope the corporate twitter account of the makers of Clorox is somehow capitalizing on all this free publicity

velcro-magnon (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 24 September 2020 19:01 (three years ago) link

Clorox: Get It Over With!

get a mop and a bucket for this Well Argued Prose (Simon H.), Thursday, 24 September 2020 19:07 (three years ago) link

Interesting fact: if Biden were to win 100% of white college grads and nothing else changed, he'd win every state except West Virginia and Wyoming. https://t.co/Gmbkw4Vo0G pic.twitter.com/Op7PBvako2

— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) September 24, 2020

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 September 2020 20:31 (three years ago) link

Dave has a different definition of interesting than I'm familiar with.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 24 September 2020 20:32 (three years ago) link

If only white college grads voted we'd have communism and Cubans in Florida would go to Mexico etc.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 24 September 2020 20:35 (three years ago) link


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