ADMIN LOG WATCH 2

mod request for ilx census

Make a new poll, I don’t remember the last one so it must have been a while ago

I have a relative born in 82 who identified as gen x her whole life and then abruptly switched to millennial when she realized gen xers had become entirely invisible within american culture

i envy people who don't struggle to be sincere

that 78-82 cohort is a weird hinterland liminal space

Millenial = people who reached majority in the new millenium, so 82+

― Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Wednesday, October 7, 2020 5:01 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

now this is just a retcon

Noted meta-ironic YouTuber Jreg is a pure zoomer and he takes that struggle to the next level.

xp

2xp rather.

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why are you all taking these labels seriously? they are a way to understand large groups of people and have much less to do with individual people.

Rhonda? Is that really you?

Please consider moving this discussion of generational boundaries to ILE

Warmest Regards,

thanks Rhonda!

Gonna say something extremely racist about the silent generation so we can keep the discussion here

help us rhonda

Rhoonnnnddaaaa

goddammit Rhonda

Sorry to bring this back to serious moderation discussion, but I have 2 questions.

1) Why are the offensive posts still up? My understanding of the 'flag post' function is that they are intended to act as a non-public expression of 'this requires moderator action' e.g. the removal or editing of offensive posts (either with a note in the admin log, or to state in the edit 'racist post removed' if that context is required in-thread to explain further discussion).

2) The date of these racists posts was 24 September 2020. That was weeks ago. ILX moves so fast there have been half a dozen clusterfucks since then. Was any attempt made to yellow card or otherwise contact unperson to tell him, 'this racist post attracted 18 FPs'? When punishment is so divorced from action, how are people supposed to connect the two, in order to change behaviour?

I am not disputing unperson's temp ban. The post was racist, and almost certainly deserved a temp ban - *at the time it was made*.

What I am disputing is: 1) if 20 people thought a post was unacceptable, why is it still there? 2) this late-delayed, arbitrarily-timed random punishment feels like a sword of damocles, which has the effect of flattening all 'unpopular' opinions, rather than something specific and deliberate which lets members *immediately* know what actions are unacceptable rather than merely unpopular.

I emailed Unperson immediately after he got 18 FPs (which for one post is virtually unprecedented) explaining that they were all for that one post and he shouldn't pull anything like that again - part of the warning system that was specifically requested. I agree the post itself should probably go.

He then got another four or five for the 'go slam your head in a car door' post which tipped him over the line. It wasn't especially arbitrary, it was pretty clear cut.

Normally a single post delivering that many flags would trigger a straight up tempban on the basis of the post's content alone, and maybe it should have in this case. We're new enough to the new rules as well and are still working out the parameters of warning vs straight up timeout.

OK, thank you for addressing my questions calmly and reasonably. That makes a lot of sense, and puts my mind at ease.

I think if that's the case, then the incident was handled well, and kudos to you for good modding, DC. Thanks!

So why when someone posts two anti-Semitic videos on two different threads, and a (older) Covid-19 conspiracy theory video on another, all of which are deleted having being brought to the attention of the mods - is this person is still posting, including on one of the same threads? But, instant ban for someone who says c**t a lot and apparently can't be trusted not to follow through on threats to stab Keir Starmer?

Anyway, back to the hilarious Admin Log bantz.

I haven't seen the AS video posts and didn't know they existed so will look into that. It may be under discussion right now, I don't know. There's a hell of a lot to keep on top of on this board and things do slip under the radar, one of the main reasons why the FP function exists at all.

Re: deleting the offending post, it's tricky, because if you delete and ban straight away then you get a lot of people saying "why were they banned? I can't see anything offensive", with the subtext that it couldn't have been that bad, and you end up back in the same dance.

I should point out that very few people get FP'ed for expressing an unpopular opinion - there is the occasional comedy FP for, I dunno, expressing a love of Mumford & Sons or a hatred of Gaz Coombes, but those obviously aren't taken into account if they get near the threshold (and if they're near the threshold at all there's clearly something else going on).

It is the way in which those opinions are expressed that gets people FPed. By way of context, there are only five people on the FP leaderboard AT ALL right now, and all of those people have a track record of addressing people or groups of people in a way that is regularly dismissive, disrespectful or belittling.

The other stuff doesn't need to be dredged up again and doesn't benefit anyone, least of all the person in question, who incidentally is still posting and like 99.9% of other posters nowhere near any kind of threshold right now.

disturbed to find out you consider FPing Gaznostics is "comedy"

If stuff gets rightly and quickly removed for Jew-bashing or suchlike, obviously people who would otherwise FP it won't see it. This is better than leaving that shit around for everyone to look at.

xp to Tom D there

The poster in question decided to double down on it after people complained about the deleted videos by following up with a picture of Epstein and Trump. I agree he would easily have racked up FPs if people hadn't caught the posts in question quickly, but in any case that's beyond the pale.

Why is it always ilm randos

The answer is in the question there

The person wasn't a rando and had posted conspiracy stuff previously - though not openly anti-Semitic stuff afaict. Anyway, well done, Matt.

short step from loving music to loving conspiracies

Can you identify the poster or the posts more clearly so that I can go fp them too? I don’t see what’s going on.

they've been site banned for now so i wouldn't worry about it

I didn’t catch that, but if one of the follow-up AS posts is still there in the controp thread, I think I see what’s going on (not a rando, sadly).

Bstep

Saturday, October 10, 2020 4:38 PM Site the burrito that defined a generation has been banned permanently. Seven day timeout. Please listen to the people asking you to stop posting like that

???

I think burrito was quadrupling down on his right to fat shame Chris Christie and people FP-ed accordingly but...I guess all of the offending posts were deleted? Which is weird.

They're all still there on the Trump got COVID thread

It’d be great if we could have dickheads being banned for a bit without this thread being bumped for clusterfuck purposes every time.

xpost OIC, I guess I didn't go back far enough in the thread.

gyac otm

had no idea what the banning and posts were ... not trying to start a clusterfuck tbh? As mod of the sub-board on which this thread resides, I thank you for your input.

we could have the bump without the clusterfuck tbf

oops xpost

afaik we've had some clusterfucks in here recently, but mostly this is a "hey how did this person get yellow-carded/banned, I missed it" thread.

this particular one doesn't seem to be clusterfucky, and I tend to not read the ones that turn into THIS BAN WAS UNJUST!

None of the posts were deleted - but yes the Burrito situation in an absolute open and shut case of what I was talking about re: failing or refusing to acknowledge the sensitivities of the posters around you and then doubling down on it when you've been asked to stop. Except yes in this case it was more like quadrupling down. The number of FPs spiralled really quickly on this one.

Burrito knew he'd be banned and I read it as a protest against new moral strictures. But idk, slightly weird hill to die on given how there are much more piquant ways to skewer the shambling ogres of the American right than 'tub of lard'

my read was that burrito's goal was to skewer the ~~~PC culture~~~ of people on the board who are ~~~too sensitive~~~; thus every post after the first time it was called out was motivated by trying to troll the room. really obnoxious, antisocial behavior imho; hope he comes back acting better.

I mean this person’s thing has been the sub-Gervais “does it offend you, yeah?” type sneer for the longest time, really as tedious as it was inevitable.

most people don't like to think about the lard in their burrito