outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

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Society for COVID'ing Up Men

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:10 (three years ago) link

cool now when I don't have kids I finally have something to blame besides "don't want them"

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:34 (three years ago) link

lol

Nhex, Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:40 (three years ago) link

Saw some speculation about that a few months ago just based on there being a lot of ACE2 receptors down there.

circles, Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:47 (three years ago) link

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frogbs, Thursday, 8 October 2020 17:47 (three years ago) link

oh no don't you Jurassic Park me out of this

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:01 (three years ago) link

Hasn’t male fertility been on the decline the past decade even before this

seumas milm (gyac), Thursday, 8 October 2020 18:18 (three years ago) link

Barren Trump

Alba, Thursday, 8 October 2020 23:59 (three years ago) link

iirc pollution has been negatively affecting sperm counts for decades

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, 9 October 2020 00:14 (three years ago) link

Lol @ Alba

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 9 October 2020 00:28 (three years ago) link

Maybe this will get the boat/truck compensator crowd interested

The hell it will, it just means a lot of "I don't have to wear a rubber, baby, I got COVID"

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 9 October 2020 01:14 (three years ago) link

Re: rashes, a while ago I was outside at a friend's house (months ago, at this point), and he mentioned something about "covid-toe." I was all, uh, what the fuck are you talking about? So he told me to look it up and I did, and there were all these theories that covid affects circulation so much that it causes some people to get weird rashes on their toes and feet. I'd not heard of it, but there it was. Just a couple of days ago, though, my wife asks me "do you remember covid-toe?" Then she tells me there was another study, and they found it was more likely due to people just walking around barefoot for weeks. Which ... I can appreciate.

Anyway, tl;dr:

There are always a lot of viruses out there, and it's not uncommon for them to cause rashes.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 October 2020 12:37 (three years ago) link

I had a tiny little rash on my knee a few months ago but it was similar to other rashes I seem to get once a year for the past three years so I just self-diagnosed and used the unexpired tube of cream I got from the dermatologist the last time but yeah, I might have had a minute of COVID dread or two.

She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 October 2020 16:15 (three years ago) link

Dicknose
Where my Rosemary grows

Second verse same as the first *sigh*

She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 11 October 2020 16:55 (three years ago) link

There dick nose....
There dick nose again....

Or this. One guy had a perma-DN and the other Einstein behind him actually a proper mask but would pull it down when he spoke!

She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 11 October 2020 16:57 (three years ago) link

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/10/coronavirus-denier-sick-spreader/

When President Trump got sick, I had this moment of deja vu back to when I first woke up in the hospital. I know what it’s like to be humiliated by this virus. I used to call it the “scamdemic.” I thought it was an overblown media hoax. I made fun of people for wearing masks. I went all the way down the rabbit hole and fell hard on my own sword, so if you want to hate me or blame me, that’s fine. I’m doing plenty of that myself.

The party was my idea. That’s what I can’t get over. Well, I mean, it wasn’t even a party — more like a get-together. There were just six of us, okay? My parents, my partner, and my partner’s parents. We’d been locked down for months at that point in Texas, and the governor had just come out and said small gatherings were probably okay. We’re a close family, and we hadn’t been together in forever. It was finally summer. I thought the worst was behind us. I was like: “Hell, let’s get on with our lives. What are we so afraid of?”

Some people in my family didn’t necessarily share all of my views, but I pushed it. I’ve always been out front with my opinions. I’m gay and I’m conservative, so either way I’m used to going against the grain. I stopped trusting the media for my information when it went hard against Trump in 2016. I got rid of my cable. It’s all opinion anyway, so I’d rather come up with my own. I find a little bit of truth here and a little there, and I pile it together to see what it makes. I have about 4,000 people in my personal network, and not one of them had gotten sick. Not one. You start to hear jokes about, you know, a skydiver jumps out of a plane without a parachute and dies of covid-19. You start to think: “Something’s really fishy here.” You start dismissing and denying.

I told my family: “Come on. Enough already. Let’s get together and enjoy life for once.”

They all came for the weekend. We agreed not to do any of the distancing or worry much about it. I mean, I haven’t seen my mother in months, and I’m not supposed to go up and hug her? Come on. We have a two-story house, so there was room for us to all stay here together. We all came on our own free will. It felt like something we needed. It had been months of doing nothing, feeling nothing, seeing no one, worrying about finances with this whole shutdown. My partner had been sent home from his work. I’d been at the finish line of raising $3.5 million for a new project, and that all evaporated overnight. I’d been feeling depressed and angry, and then it was like: “Okay! I can breathe.” We cooked nice meals. We watched a few movies. I played a few songs on my baby grand piano. We drove to a lake about 60 miles outside of Dallas and talked and talked. It was nothing all that special. It was great. It was normal.

I woke up Sunday morning feeling a little iffy. I have a lot of issues with sleeping, and I thought that’s probably what it was. I let everyone know: “I don’t feel right, but I’m guessing it might be exhaustion.” I was kind of achy. There was a weird vibration inside. I had a bug-eye feeling.

A few hours later, my partner was feeling a little bad, too. Then my parents. Then my father-in-law got sick the next day, after he’d already left and gone to Austin to witness the birth of his first grandchild. I have no idea which one of us brought the virus into the house, but all six of us left with it. It kept spreading from there.

I told myself it wouldn’t be that bad. “It’s the flu. It’s basically just the flu.” I didn’t have the horrible cough you keep hearing about. My breathing never got too terrible. My fever peaked for like one day at 100.5, which is nothing — barely worth mentioning. “All right. I got this. See? It was nothing.” But then some of the other symptoms started to get wild. I was sweating profusely. I would wake up in a pool of sweat. I had this tingling feeling all over my body, this radiating kind of pain. Do you remember those old space heaters that you’d plug in, and the red lines would light up and glow? I felt like that was happening inside my bones. I was burning from the inside out. I was buzzing. I was dizzy. I couldn’t even turn my head around to look at the TV. I felt like my eyeballs were in a fishbowl, just bopping around. I rubbed Icy Hot all over my head. It was nonstop headaches and sweating for probably about a week — and then it just went away. I got some of my energy back. I had a few really good days. I started working on projects around the house. I was thinking: “Okay. That’s it. Pretty bad, but not so terrible. I beat it. I managed it. Nothing worth shutting down the entire world over.” Then one day I was walking up the stairs, and all of the sudden, I couldn’t breathe. I screamed and fell flat on my face. I blacked out. I woke up a while later in the ER, and 10 doctors were standing around me in a circle. I was lying on the table after going through a CT scan. The doctors told me the virus had attacked my nervous system. They’d given me some medications that stopped me from having a massive stroke. They said I was minutes away.

I stayed in the hospital for three days, trying to get my mind around it. It was guilt, embarrassment, shame. I thought: “Okay. Maybe now I’ve paid for my mistake.” But it kept getting worse.

Six infections turned into nine. Nine went up to 14. It spread from one family member to the next, and it was like each person caught a different strain. My mother-in-law got it and never had any real symptoms. My father is 78, and he went to get checked out at the hospital, but for whatever reasons, he seemed to recover really fast. My father-in-law nearly died in his living room and then ended up in the same hospital as me on the exact same day. His mother was in the room right next to him because she was having trouble breathing. They were lying there on both sides of the wall, fighting the same virus, and neither of them ever knew the other one was there. She died after a few weeks. On the day of her funeral, five more family members tested positive.

My father-in-law’s probably my best friend. It’s an unconventional relationship. He’s 52, only nine years older than me, and we hit it off right away. He runs a construction company, and I would tag along on his jobs and ride with him around Dallas. I’ve been through a lot in my life — from food stamps to Ferraris and then back again — so I could tell a good story and make him laugh. He builds these 20,000-square-foot custom homes, but he’d been renting his whole life. We decided to go in together on 10 acres outside Dallas, and he was finally getting ready to build his own house. We’d already done the plumbing and gotten streets built on the property. We’d planted 50 pecans and oaks to give the property some shade. He had his blueprints all drawn up. It was all he wanted to talk about.

He was on supplemental oxygen, but the doctors kept reducing the amount he was getting. They thought he was getting better. He was still making jokes, so I wasn’t all that worried. He told me: “They’ve got you upstairs in the Cadillac rooms because you’re White, but all of us Mexicans are still down here in the ER.” I got sent home, and I had a lot of guilt about leaving him there. I called him at the hospital, and I was like: “I’m going to come bust you out Mission Impossible style.” He said he preferred El Chapo style. We were laughing so hard. I hung up, and a few hours later I got a call from my mother-in-law. She was hysterical. She could barely speak. She said one of his lungs had collapsed and the other was filling with fluid. They put him on a ventilator, and he lay there on life support for six or seven weeks. There was never any goodbye. He was just gone. It’s like the world swallowed him up. We could only have 10 people at the funeral, and I didn’t make that list.

I break down sometimes, but mostly I’m empty. Am I glad to be alive? I don’t know. I don’t know how to answer that.

There’s no relief. This virus, I can’t escape it. It’s torn up our family. It’s all over my Facebook. It’s the election. It’s Trump. It’s what I keep thinking about. How many people would have gotten sick if I’d never hosted that weekend? One? Maybe two? The grief comes in waves, but that guilt just sits.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 11 October 2020 19:02 (three years ago) link

People ask me sometimes “how can you blame all this on Trump?” - it’s not just the fact that he’s failed to do anything but one ineffective travel ban, it’s creating this atmosphere where half the country doesn’t trust anyone smarter than them. I feel bad for these folks but not as bad as I do for the people who took it seriously and got it anyway.

frogbs, Sunday, 11 October 2020 19:14 (three years ago) link

A parable of tragic and colossal stupidity. I’m sorry that so many people had to die for that writer to learn his lesson.

This study by Australia’s national science organisation is the headline news down here this morning. Virus survivability on surfaces may be a month.

https://www.csiro.au/en/News/News-releases/2020/CSIRO-scientists-publish-new-research-on-SARS-COV-2-virus-survivability

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Sunday, 11 October 2020 19:19 (three years ago) link

That... is in massive contrast to what has come out prior to now and is extremely distressing

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 11 October 2020 20:52 (three years ago) link

B-b-but how high is that viral load?

She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 11 October 2020 21:00 (three years ago) link

That is really really really distressing

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Sunday, 11 October 2020 21:02 (three years ago) link

Really I thought we already knew about the longevity but heard it wasn't enough virus to actually infect you, but what do I know.

She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 11 October 2020 21:05 (three years ago) link

That’s useful information for virologists but it’s irrelevant to us. It doesn’t matter how long a measurable amount survives on a surface. It matters if you can catch it from a surface, from the amount. That study has nothing to say about that, but all the evidence is not.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 11 October 2020 21:10 (three years ago) link

Cannot stress this enough: do not worry about that study.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 11 October 2020 21:10 (three years ago) link

There was some commentary by dr norman swan on the radio this morning saying the study was using a simulated snot an was focussed on dark, cold and humid conditions (such as might be found in abattoirs). Sunlight and dry conditions reduce the half life but it might go some way to showing why transmission has been so bad in places like abattoirs.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Sunday, 11 October 2020 21:12 (three years ago) link

Not even monkey snot or rat snot or bunny snot but simulated snot? Bah.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 11 October 2020 21:27 (three years ago) link

Simulated Snot is the name of my new thrash metal band

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 11 October 2020 21:28 (three years ago) link

My pop punk band is called Snot Rocket.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 11 October 2020 21:29 (three years ago) link

Snocket

She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 11 October 2020 21:30 (three years ago) link

(Snot Rocket used to be called Snot from Both Sides, but that's gross)

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 11 October 2020 21:30 (three years ago) link

Snocket From the Tombs

She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 11 October 2020 21:30 (three years ago) link

Tbs for a second, the survives better in dark, cold, humid conditions bodes ill for the western europe winter, idk about rest of northern hemisphere, maybe elsewhere less humid or less dark

The Wealth Dad $ |_/ (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 11 October 2020 21:42 (three years ago) link

Re the Csiro study, the half life was ~2 days at 20 °C on most of the materials, ~12 hours at 30 °C. Room temperature ~25 °C wasn't tested. If its about a day, that means if 1000 infectious virii are exhaled onto a surface, 10 days later we'd expect 1 remaining. And innoculum matters.

I'm not sure we have any confirmed transmissions by fomite, yet. Granted, tough to demonstrate (the secondary infected can't have directly interacted), but I do think people who were quarantining their Amz deliveries were overreacting.

Sanpaku, Sunday, 11 October 2020 22:57 (three years ago) link

(Snot Rocket used to be called Snot from Both Sides, but that's gross)

I've looked at snot from both sides now

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 11 October 2020 23:37 (three years ago) link

The most frightening thing about that Washington Post article is that even though the writer was a COVID denier, his party that got his whole family sick and caused two deaths wasn't a huge, wild, "Let's get COVID to own the libs" party. It was a six-person family get-together, nobody had any symptoms when it started, and they even spent some of their time outside at a lake. That's exactly the kind of small-scale, one-time event that plenty of people who do take COVID seriously have been finding ways to justify.

Lily Dale, Monday, 12 October 2020 04:11 (three years ago) link

You start to hear jokes about, you know, a skydiver jumps out of a plane without a parachute and dies of covid-19. You start to think: “Something’s really fishy here.”

... do you?

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 12 October 2020 04:18 (three years ago) link

Wait until he hears the one about the priest, the rabbi and the horse that walk into a bar.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 12 October 2020 04:19 (three years ago) link

"The aristocrats!!"

cointelamateur (m bison), Monday, 12 October 2020 04:20 (three years ago) link

man walks into a bar, catches covid from the virus surviving on surfaces

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Monday, 12 October 2020 04:23 (three years ago) link

Lol m bison

She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 12 October 2020 04:35 (three years ago) link

It was a six-person family get-together, nobody had any symptoms when it started, and they even spent some of their time outside at a lake. That's exactly the kind of small-scale, one-time event that plenty of people who do take COVID seriously have been finding ways to justify.

Yes, but what people are unknowingly bringing to the table with them presumably varies widely, depending on whether they're going around maskless to stores and bars and church because they're covid deniers, or whether they've been home, distancing, wearing masks and washing their hands. Each person's ongoing precautions shrinks the risk to others--the whole point.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Monday, 12 October 2020 13:11 (three years ago) link

Also, it sounds like they were still hugging and I assume otherwise in close contact, plus sharing communal food. Those are two no-nos. On top of that it sounds like a lot of the guests travelled in and then travelled out. Lots of ways for it to spread even of they were otherwise cautious. But this is indicative of a particular strain of contemporary psychosis:

I got rid of my cable. It’s all opinion anyway, so I’d rather come up with my own. I find a little bit of truth here and a little there, and I pile it together to see what it makes.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 12 October 2020 13:17 (three years ago) link

Less “alternative facts” than “selective opinions “

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 12 October 2020 14:34 (three years ago) link

tbf, cable is not a great place to get unadulterated facts, but "it's all opinion" is just stupid.

Cable anchor, looking serious: "In my opinion, it sure looks from the pictures like a plane crashed in Uruguay yesterday, killing all 62 people on board. I'm also of the opinion that, although authorities said the black box recorder was found near the site of the wreckage and is being evaluated for clues to the cause of the crash, this is pure hearsay and should be ignored. I'll report further opinions as this story develops"

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 12 October 2020 17:41 (three years ago) link

I got rid of my cable. It’s all opinion anyway, so I’d rather come up with my own

if they've been watching fox, that's not wrong. the line between opinion and "news" has been porous for a long time there. a long-time fox viewer who somehow manages to catch onto that might think that all the other options must be like that too

president of my cat (Karl Malone), Monday, 12 October 2020 17:47 (three years ago) link

I agree that this particular six-person get-together may have been higher risk than others, but I brought it up because it's something I can see happening a lot over the holidays. My house has been fairly careful, but most of us have been talking about finding ways to visit family at Christmas, and one of my housemates is talking about doing Thanksgiving with her parents and sister as well. Her parents take COVID seriously, but her sister's husband doesn't at all. And it just takes one COVID denier to bring it in.

Basically, I just meant: this guy sounds like an idiot, but I see this as a cautionary tale for everyone, not just COVID deniers. Let's not assume we're immune to making the same kind of bad decision out of pure COVID fatigue and the desire to see family.

Lily Dale, Monday, 12 October 2020 17:49 (three years ago) link

Let's not assume we're immune to making the same kind of bad decision

By happenstance I ran into my sister's family last Friday while we were both at the same small town at the Oregon coast, so we arranged a flying visit, outdoors, on the deck of the house where they were staying. It took a lot of willpower to not exchange hugs with everyone, as we normally would.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 12 October 2020 18:01 (three years ago) link

I actually asked my mom if she was interested in visiting for Thanksgiving, and she flat out said no. She cited reports that the airports were getting more crowded, and said the one time she's had to fly was weird and disconcerting enough.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 12 October 2020 18:03 (three years ago) link

we're postponing return to daycare until the new year (at the earliest) on the basis that thanksgiving and christmas are going to result in a pretty big spike.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 12 October 2020 18:09 (three years ago) link

i don't blame anyone for trying to make plans, i guess, but i feel very much the same way that i felt in late february: i think making travel plans in the near future is bonkers

president of my cat (Karl Malone), Monday, 12 October 2020 18:22 (three years ago) link


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