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had no idea what the banning and posts were ... not trying to start a clusterfuck tbh? As mod of the sub-board on which this thread resides, I thank you for your input.

we could have the bump without the clusterfuck tbf

oops xpost

afaik we've had some clusterfucks in here recently, but mostly this is a "hey how did this person get yellow-carded/banned, I missed it" thread.

this particular one doesn't seem to be clusterfucky, and I tend to not read the ones that turn into THIS BAN WAS UNJUST!

None of the posts were deleted - but yes the Burrito situation in an absolute open and shut case of what I was talking about re: failing or refusing to acknowledge the sensitivities of the posters around you and then doubling down on it when you've been asked to stop. Except yes in this case it was more like quadrupling down. The number of FPs spiralled really quickly on this one.

Burrito knew he'd be banned and I read it as a protest against new moral strictures. But idk, slightly weird hill to die on given how there are much more piquant ways to skewer the shambling ogres of the American right than 'tub of lard'

my read was that burrito's goal was to skewer the ~~~PC culture~~~ of people on the board who are ~~~too sensitive~~~; thus every post after the first time it was called out was motivated by trying to troll the room. really obnoxious, antisocial behavior imho; hope he comes back acting better.

I mean this person’s thing has been the sub-Gervais “does it offend you, yeah?” type sneer for the longest time, really as tedious as it was inevitable.

most people don't like to think about the lard in their burrito

in removing it, we've become a buncha rick baylesses. it's tortas at the airport for a week.

i don't feel strongly about the banning and agree burrito was asking for it. but burrito has some good qualities, and any comparison to Gervais is cruel.

reading the thread in question -- it seemed kinda a "gray area" to me, like I will hit the FP when I see fat-shaming most of the time, but ... it's kinda like going back to the Thatcher is Dead issue (from years ago) ... if a person in power is that horrible and oppressive, I feel less like policing people? But, enough other posters feel that is worth policing, so it is a relief to me (mostly in that I wouldn't want that decision to be only mine to make, because I have mixed feelings).

In other words, I'm not going to be posting the masturbating orangutan video in protest ... even though I do like burrito a lot

personal growth takes many forms

well I'm not gonna activate my wonder twin powers and invoke the form of masturbating orangutan youtube

trump's insatiable gluttony - for attention, for power, for irresponsibility and yes, for terrible fast food - is an undeniable part of what makes him such a repugnant figure. given his tremendous and misplaced vanity and loathing for anything not Maxim-approved as beauty, it's not a huge leap from there to mock him as "fat" as an easy way to hoist him by his own petard. one of the many rhetorical errors there is that playing the insult game by Trump's rules lowers you to his piggish level and unnecessarily sideswipes any number of people whose only association with this dipshit is a BMI in the same zipcode.

pointing out Trump's multilayered gluttony or infantile diet can be valid responses to his own attacks on other people's attitudes or his assessment of them physically. Chris Christie is not mocking anyone else for their body afaik.

Christie made his bones mocking people, he's a vicious asshole

Christie made his big bones mocking people, he's a vicious asshole

― error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, October 13, 2020 1:57 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lollll absolute freudian slip

oh shit I thought I actually wrote that

you guys are absolute dorks debating the merits of punching down on this fat asshole

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil-New_Jersey_environmental_contamination_settlement

I think it’s important that people remember that the bans under the new rules are temporary, lasting only seven days. unperson will be unbanned tomorrow, burrito just a few days later. Nobody’s “online existence” is under threat.

The rules themselves are potentially quite temporary as well, since we all agreed to just try this out for six months and then see what we think.

an interesting thing has been to watch the liberal media and their obsession with how fat trump is and how that means he will definitely die of COVID because he's a big fat slob

even though I don't think there is much data on links between obesity per se and COVID morbidity

fwiw I didn't kick this off to push anyone off the board but to point out that it's sad that this 'fat fuck tub of lard lol fattays' shite has gone p much unchecked on ilx since day one

I did flag the post, as I have done with every similar post I've encountered here for years

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/obr.13128

(xp for jim)

any comparison to Gervais is cruel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0l3QWUXVho

you know what's cruel? a burrito that is too fat to eat. think about it

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/obr.13128

― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:11 AM (twenty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

(xp for jim)

― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:12 AM (twenty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

ok, maybe there is some data. but it still seems like there was a lot of luxuriating in pointing out that trump is fat and how that meant COVID was going to be worse for him (so much for that, it seems)

you know what's cruel? a burrito that is too fat to eat. think about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhhXCuUG2pw

I just had a hearty meal and this thread is making me hungry again.

also just a reminder, linking fatness to some kind of lapse in judgment or fundamental moral failing is one of the most fundamental and toxic aspects of fatphobia. people who are fat are *routinely treated like* they are selfish, indulgent, immoral pariahs lacking in self control. among the ways this happens is people telling dumb jokes or leaning gleefully into phrases like "tub of lard."

so to pick out a terrible person and go "hey it's cool to tell these dumb jokes and mock THIS guy's fatness, because HE'S a selfish, indulgent, immoral pariah lacking in self-control!" --- this is just repeating bodyshaming myths with the words in a different order. and again, i have yet to see any fat activists or to my knowledge any fat people at all saying "oh actually, if it's turning the tables on someone who shames others for their bodies, then it's a-ok!". i am not fat, but i don't want this board to be something i'd be ashamed to reveal to my fat friends.

^ as always doc otmartin

doc otm

The Republican platform endorses Puerto Rico statehood

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/obr.13128🕸

― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:11 AM (twenty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

(xp for jim)

― bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:12 AM (twenty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

ok, maybe there is some data. but it still seems like there was a lot of luxuriating in pointing out that trump is fat and how that meant COVID was going to be worse for him (so much for that, it seems)

wut

oh Zing artifacts?

i have yet to see any fat activists or to my knowledge any fat people at all saying "oh actually, if it's turning the tables on someone who shames others for their bodies, then it's a-ok!"

someone who shames others for their bodies and is a horrible person in a position of great power ... I'm not entirely "a-ok" with it, but tbh, I was not as un-ok with it as I would be for most other people. See also wishing death on horrible people in positions of great power.... but I'm an actual fat person so ... idk?

i mean, your perspective is more relevant here than mine!

The fact that 20 people expressed their perspective to flag the post is perhaps most relevant -- like, I am just one fat person, and I don't speak for all fat people! And to be super real, I am way more willing to give a pass on fat-shaming when cis-men are being "shamed" as opposed to women, but is that ethical? Idk? Sorry, that's just how I feel.

i feel that, and to be super real myself, i'm sure that i have given similar passes in other situations. the doubling-down from burrito is what drew me to writing longer soapbox posts in this case.

The New KFC Burrito Double Down Meal

do you need a yellow card about making horribly formed jokes, forks?

no need to be jaundiced

A bit of a quibble/controp: being shamed into changing one's behaviour *can* be helpful in some cases. Speaking for myself and myself only, I probably would have never stopped smoking without a socially-instilled sense that it's utterly disgusting and stupid and expensive and self-destructive, which I feel more strongly when I'm in Canada than when I'm in Romania or France. Not to mention there are plenty of cultures (most?) where, for better or for worse, people don't feel the need to hold back when discussing this stuff. If they think you're overweight, drinking too much, not getting enough exercice, etc., they'll say it outright, and most of the time it's not even meant as an insult, it's more like: 'you really need to do something about that, buddy, it's seriously a shame', point blank. I'm not saying it's the right way to do it – if anything, my understanding is that scientific studies have shown fat-shaming in particular to be ineffective – but I find the cultural facet of it quite interesting. Like, I'm glad I live in a country where homophobes are shamed into shutting up, which I wish was also the case in Romania, say. So yeah, I'm not trying to defend the burrito here, I just have a hard time navigating this shit sometimes.

fatness is not a "behavior" though. so even without evaluating shaming's putative effectiveness in your other examples, applying this logic to the case of fatshaming seems dubious at best.

more fundamentally, fatness is also not something in need of correcting