Yeah, I saw that Nevada report. It's still super weird and I'm not sure how important it is that there have been five confirmed reinfections out of close to 40 million cases worldwide. You'd think anyone that had it once would be aware enough to recognize if they got it a second time, so it's not like there are thousands of reinfections that have likely fallen through the cracks. Just these ... five.
Heard another report on the radio that indeed, hospitalizations are creeping up in Indiana, surely no coincidence a few weeks after their stupid governor pressed to open everything up again. In less stupid governor news, did we mention that the Wisconsin governor won his latest round against the crazies, with a court backing him (again?) when it comes to mask mandates? Either way, between WI's woes and Indiana's idiocy, things don't bode well for Illinois even if we were being as careful as we could be as long as the neighbors are nuts. Clowns to the left of us, jokers to the right ...
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 13:00 (three years ago) link
So...problematic interactions with delivery guys with problematic masks...*sigh*
― She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 13:07 (three years ago) link
Oh wait, think that's for the other thread.
― She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 13:18 (three years ago) link
#OneTooManyThreads
Zero reinfections would be news. Lots would be news. A handful of examples is not surprising and also nothing to worry about.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 14:28 (three years ago) link
I feel if it was more widespread youβd hear more about it yeah, but still fucks me up every time I hear about a case. :(
― seumas milm (gyac), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 14:30 (three years ago) link
I don't know if it's an accurate analogy but I think of it like chicken pox. Reinfections do occur but not to the extent that it's actively worrisome for those who've had it.
― OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 14:57 (three years ago) link
right. immunity isn't a binary thing. (which btw is part of the reason why a 50% effective vaccine that 50% of people choose not to get because of a total collapse in social trust doesn't get us to herd immunity right away.)
cannot recommend "on immunity" by eula biss for more on this btw.
or for a shorter read see https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/07/covid-19-vaccine-reality-check/614566/ (but then read https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/health/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-optimism.html because that atlantic piece is a huge bummer).
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 16:32 (three years ago) link
If this works, this will be just as important a development as the vaccine tbh
Oxford scientists develop five-minute COVID-19 antigen test https://t.co/JnGFL7s6rR pic.twitter.com/HyUiffnYRa— Reuters (@Reuters) October 15, 2020
The university said it hoped to start product development of the testing device in early 2021 and have an approved device available six months afterwards.The device is able to detect the coronavirus and distinguish it from other viruses with high accuracy, the researchers said in a pre-print study."Our method quickly detects intact virus particles," said Professor Achilles Kapanidis, at Oxford's Department of Physics, adding that this meant the test would be "simple, extremely rapid, and cost-effective".
― seumas milm (gyac), Thursday, 15 October 2020 12:37 (three years ago) link
That had a rapid test in the whitehouse. It doesnβt help if people donβt change their behaviour.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Thursday, 15 October 2020 14:04 (three years ago) link
What we need is a daily 15-minute test that you take every morning after you brush your teeth. And everybody does that for the next 2-3 years or however long it takes to get a vaccine.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 15 October 2020 14:15 (three years ago) link
it should only be 70-80% accurate though, to make sure that you keep coming back and brushing your teeth
― president of my cat (Karl Malone), Thursday, 15 October 2020 14:17 (three years ago) link
waht if you have Shane McGowan teeth
― LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Thursday, 15 October 2020 14:19 (three years ago) link
you could combine the two so it takes a swab while you're brushing
― closed beta (NotEnough), Thursday, 15 October 2020 14:29 (three years ago) link
We need to talk about your teeth brushing method.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 October 2020 14:35 (three years ago) link
not saying there aren't a few problems to solve before getting the Brush'n'Swab to market
― closed beta (NotEnough), Thursday, 15 October 2020 14:39 (three years ago) link
phew, I was concerned
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 October 2020 14:41 (three years ago) link
I was serious by the way!
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 15 October 2020 14:51 (three years ago) link
> not saying there aren't a few problems to solve before getting the Brush'n'Swab to market
teething problems?
― koogs, Thursday, 15 October 2020 15:30 (three years ago) link
gdamit
― closed beta (NotEnough), Thursday, 15 October 2020 18:32 (three years ago) link
ProPublica: Inside the Fall of the CDC
Besides more detail on why the CDC's rtPCR test was a failure through January/February, Kyle McGowan looks like a small hero here, and Michael Caputo like someone personally responsible for tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
― Please don't mention The Event (Sanpaku), Friday, 16 October 2020 12:33 (three years ago) link
Confirmed cases in the last 7 days per 100,000 people.[Source β¦@BBK_Bundβ©] pic.twitter.com/9q3zwV2Og3— Max Roser (@MaxCRoser) October 16, 2020
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 16 October 2020 22:35 (three years ago) link
The study of the antibodies I apparently have does not start for another month, but we know someone who has had their antibodies studied for a few months now, and with weird results. After her initial positive antibody test, each subsequent blood draw revealed decreasing antibody levels ... until they didn't. After several months of decline they suddenly spiked back up again. So strange, this covid.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 18 October 2020 16:21 (three years ago) link
My friend in NYC found this too.
― santa clause four (suzy), Sunday, 18 October 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link
How the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally may have spread coronavirus across the Upper MidwestWithin weeks of the gathering that drew nearly half a million bikers, the Dakotas, along with Wyoming, Minnesota and Montana, were leading the nation in new coronavirus infections per capita.--It had been a long ride back from Sturgis, S.D., so when he first felt an ache at the back of his throat, Kenny Cervantes figured he was just tired. Heβd traveled the 400-some miles on his Harley, rumbling through wide-open farm and prairie land on his way home to Riverdale, Neb., where his girlfriend was waiting.A lifelong motorcycle enthusiast, the 50-year-old construction worker and father of five had been determined to go to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, a holy grail for bikers. Even when his girlfriend, Angie Balcom, decided to stay back because she was worried about being around so many people during a pandemic, Cervantes was adamant about going.βI donβt think there was nothing that was going to stop me,β he said.Back home, Cervantes took Tylenol for his throat and went to bed early. But he woke up the next morning coughing so hard he struggled to catch his breath. Over the next few days, the pain in his chest made him fear that his heart might stop, and a test later confirmed he had the novel coronavirus, which causes the disease covid-19. He was admitted to the hospital 11 days later, on Aug. 27. Soon, his girlfriend and his sister were sick, and Cervantes was going over everything he did and every place he visited in Sturgis, wondering where the virus had found him.Within weeks of the gathering, the Dakotas, along with Wyoming, Minnesota and Montana, were leading the nation in new coronavirus infections per capita. The surge was especially pronounced in North and South Dakota, where cases and hospitalization rates continued their juggernaut rise into October. Experts say they will never be able to determine how many of those cases originated at the 10-day rally, given the failure of state and local health officials to identify and monitor attendees returning home, or to trace chains of transmission after people got sick. Some, however, believe the nearly 500,000-person gathering played a role in the outbreak now consuming the Upper Midwest.
Within weeks of the gathering that drew nearly half a million bikers, the Dakotas, along with Wyoming, Minnesota and Montana, were leading the nation in new coronavirus infections per capita.
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It had been a long ride back from Sturgis, S.D., so when he first felt an ache at the back of his throat, Kenny Cervantes figured he was just tired. Heβd traveled the 400-some miles on his Harley, rumbling through wide-open farm and prairie land on his way home to Riverdale, Neb., where his girlfriend was waiting.
A lifelong motorcycle enthusiast, the 50-year-old construction worker and father of five had been determined to go to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, a holy grail for bikers. Even when his girlfriend, Angie Balcom, decided to stay back because she was worried about being around so many people during a pandemic, Cervantes was adamant about going.
βI donβt think there was nothing that was going to stop me,β he said.
Back home, Cervantes took Tylenol for his throat and went to bed early. But he woke up the next morning coughing so hard he struggled to catch his breath. Over the next few days, the pain in his chest made him fear that his heart might stop, and a test later confirmed he had the novel coronavirus, which causes the disease covid-19. He was admitted to the hospital 11 days later, on Aug. 27. Soon, his girlfriend and his sister were sick, and Cervantes was going over everything he did and every place he visited in Sturgis, wondering where the virus had found him.
Within weeks of the gathering, the Dakotas, along with Wyoming, Minnesota and Montana, were leading the nation in new coronavirus infections per capita. The surge was especially pronounced in North and South Dakota, where cases and hospitalization rates continued their juggernaut rise into October. Experts say they will never be able to determine how many of those cases originated at the 10-day rally, given the failure of state and local health officials to identify and monitor attendees returning home, or to trace chains of transmission after people got sick. Some, however, believe the nearly 500,000-person gathering played a role in the outbreak now consuming the Upper Midwest.
― president of my cat (Karl Malone), Sunday, 18 October 2020 17:28 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/I6bLA2H.jpg
― president of my cat (Karl Malone), Sunday, 18 October 2020 17:29 (three years ago) link
Of course it did, and most of those arseholes are big on freedumb.
― santa clause four (suzy), Sunday, 18 October 2020 17:32 (three years ago) link
After her initial positive antibody test, each subsequent blood draw revealed decreasing antibody levels ... until they didn't. After several months of decline they suddenly spiked back up again. So strange, this covid.
This sounds encouraging to me... like the spike indicated she had been exposed a second time and her body knew how to respond.
― here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Sunday, 18 October 2020 18:23 (three years ago) link
i think this is maybe the thread has ever gone without being bumped?
well anyway, here's the US midwest
https://i.imgur.com/8oLsoUL.png
and here's wonderwall
― president of my cat (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 23:27 (three years ago) link
a v-shaped recovery
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 23:27 (three years ago) link
i believe that with time and a continued lack of leadership, that v will become a w
― president of my cat (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 23:28 (three years ago) link
some analysts are calling it a vwv\M/W\mwv-shaped recovery
― president of my cat (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 23:31 (three years ago) link
others simply say that there's no point in trying, because that would be bad for someone's political campaign, and would be stressful for public leaders
― president of my cat (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 23:32 (three years ago) link
\m/._. \m/
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 23:33 (three years ago) link
YMMV
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 21 October 2020 05:46 (three years ago) link
lol?
*treated with placebo*of COVID-19 https://t.co/jYZFAEHWnE— Amy Schellenbaum (@acsbaum) October 21, 2020
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 20:51 (three years ago) link
kind of what drives me nuts about some fellow COVID trial participants I know who are bragging about how they're gonna go back to livin' it up after they get stuck. a) you don't know if you're getting the vax or the placebo and b) you have no idea what level of protection you will get, if any, if you do get the vax.
(not that this volunteer did anything wrong, that's tragic - just illustrates why I get mad at irresponsible panelists).
― eat my room temperature ass (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 21:38 (three years ago) link
Thank you for your service, Neanderthal
― fretless porpentine (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 21:52 (three years ago) link
so FL numbers I am watching nervously as they haven't crept back up significantly yet but if they do, I fear a return to the horrific summer totals we endured earlier with little to no closures by Desantis (other than like...bars only, which he did last time)
― eat my room temperature ass (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 22:05 (three years ago) link
kind of what drives me nuts about some fellow COVID trial participants I know who are bragging about how they're gonna go back to livin' it up after they get stuck. a) you don't know if you're getting the vax or the placebo and b) you have no idea what level of protection you will get, if any, if you do get the vax
if the vaccine reaches the minimum threshold for effectiveness the FDA is going to require for approval (50%) and there's two treatments in the trial, there's a 75% chance they have no immunity!
(same calculation tells you why a vaccine isn't going to change things quickly: it's effective ~half the time, and only about half of americans are going to get it, so it's going to take us from ~5% population immunity to ... 30%? a big jump that will save lives, but nowhere near the levels required for herd immunity.)
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 22:41 (three years ago) link
yeah I think I read the article that stated that, as well as this one: https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/10/19/a-covid-19-vaccine-wont-mean-a-swift-end-for-wearing-masks-or-social-distancing/
my hope has been dwindling as a result
― eat my room temperature ass (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 22:53 (three years ago) link
Boston-area COVID (as-measured-by-poop-sampling) numbers just went exponential: pic.twitter.com/D4Gpvlar1g— Itamar Turner-Trauring (@itamarst) October 21, 2020
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 22:57 (three years ago) link
*throws "(Welcome Home) Sanitarium" on repeat*
― eat my room temperature ass (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 22:59 (three years ago) link
I'm so glad I got my medical marijuana card, y'all. I'm going to be spending a lot of time this winter getting high as giraffe balls and writing weird poetry
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 22 October 2020 22:10 (three years ago) link
I mean, given these numbers, that's what I see in my future
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 22 October 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link
β healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, October 22, 2020 5:10 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
"ppl who have figured out how to live" thread
― cointelamateur (m bison), Thursday, 22 October 2020 23:32 (three years ago) link
So much we don't know..
The Czech death rate at the moment is really astonishing - twice as high per capita as basically anywhere else in Europe. Not yet ofc at the double-figure levels in the worst-affected countries in March/April. pic.twitter.com/2Od55bBpAg— Mike Bird (@Birdyword) October 23, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 23 October 2020 09:32 (three years ago) link
they had this really smug video back in April about how low their rates were because of mandatory mask wearing
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 23 October 2020 09:34 (three years ago) link
It's a mystery though. Does it mean that masks don't work? I'd say it needs more reporting but every now and then you get the sense everyone is fumbling around in the dark.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 23 October 2020 10:19 (three years ago) link
The government stopped enforcing the rules ahead of the election.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, 23 October 2020 10:20 (three years ago) link