ForenSix Opposition - Politics in the Soon To Be Former UK in Autumn 2020

BREAKING: Care Minister Helen Whately tells London MPs that the capital will move into Tier 2 from midnight Friday into Saturday.

PM to make an announcement this morning.

That means no household mixing indoors and avoid public transport.

— Paul Brand (@PaulBrandITV) October 15, 2020

I was just going to check on case numbers in London. Aren't they still low?

Apparently the doubling rate is now about 7-10 days which is what has them freaked

in the last two days I have heard of five school escorts self-isolating and a teacher has phoned me this morning saying there has been a covid 19 outbreak in one of the classroom bubbles.

Just in time for my first visit to London in seven months.

I'd be interested to see how the pro/anti lockdown split works out for readers of the Telegraph (Sunak warns of economic devastation if there's another lockdown), the Mail (another lockdown will lead to you dying of heart disease) and the Express (don't worry, the economy will be fine - as long as there's no second lockdown). The front pages are united in favour of Sunak and, softly at least, against Johnson.

Absolutely delighted at the work of shitpost twitter on there, excellent stuff. Man’s got no neck.

Support bubbles don't count as "households mixing", right? Or are they included in the ban?

I think that’s right Matt, support bubble = same household for these purposes

Yeah you can meet your friends outside but not in a restaurant, but you can go to a restaurant or pub or whatever with your family or housemates.

does outside at a pub count as outside or is it still a pub?

still a pub afaik, the same rules are enforced in beer gardens round here as on the inside

This is such a sham.

You can also have builders and cleaners 'round. If you really want to hang w/ someone from a different household indoors I guess pay them.

you are allowed to enter houses and gardens to provide care and assistance to vulnerable people, which includes those over 70. So if you're comfortable with it, it is *we think* ok under the rules to pop to your elderly parents' and for example, make them dinner.

Dan Carden has resigned. Good.

“I am resolute that as a matter of conscience I must use my voice and my vote on behalf of my constituents to object to legislation that sets dangerous new precedents on the rule of law and civil liberties in this country.”

Dan Carden's resignation letter in full. pic.twitter.com/DahhcpMuhJ

— Tribune (@tribunemagazine) October 15, 2020

imagine if Crobob's front benchers kept resigning

Yeah Carden is Scouse from an Irish family - he was always going to.

horrific

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-54539328

Used coronavirus swab tests were accidentally given out to households in Birmingham, council officials said.

Birmingham City Council said about 25 kits had been given out by mistake in the student area of Selly Oak as part of its "drop-and-collect" service.

It said the error was quickly realised, the kits remained intact and there was no evidence of cross-contamination.

However, student David Lewes, 21, said he and four housemates used the tests without realising they were not new.

The actual fuck? How do you even make that mistake?

Burnham/Manchester is doing a better job than Khan. This could yet be a huge fuck-up for him

Manchester fighting properly for resources while Sadiq lets London hospitality go to the wall so he can look tough in the media https://t.co/D6zs9aYK1F

— Simon (@simonk_133) October 15, 2020

There are others - and more resignations to come

— Sienna Rodgers (@siennamarla) October 15, 2020

The actual fuck? How do you even make that mistake?

― Matt DC, Thursday, 15 October 2020 13:03 (fifty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

you mean Birmingham City council or David Lewes and pals?

David Lewes and housemates to appear in one-off Viz strip next month pls

uhhhh

NEW: The Queen is making her first public engagement since the lockdown right now. She is with her grandson Prince William at the Porton Down chemical weapons centre in Wiltshire

— Chris Ship (@chrisshipitv) October 15, 2020

oh bless, lifting people's spirits during this annus horribilis

brenda in a gas-mask, i know, i know, it's really serious

well now

🚨Our Branch has unanimously passed a motion to condemn the actions of Rosie Duffield MP, and express solidarity with our member who resigned. ✊

We’ll be writing to @labourwhips and @UKLabour to request a formal investigation, & call for Rosie to resign as Chair of Women’s PLP. pic.twitter.com/sJbW2It6gF

— GMB Members’ Staff (@GMB_MPs_Staff) October 15, 2020

open-and-shut case, i look forward to rosie duffield's immediate ejection, what could possibly go wrong

I'm sure she can get her own Times Radio/GN News show out of it.

This is so depressing

Please watch this - it's so important.

The #CHISBill being rushed through Parliament today is simply unconscionable. pic.twitter.com/N3SYlwLHOO

— Big Brother Watch (@BigBrotherWatch) October 15, 2020

And its just the start

lol, the amendment preventing undercover agents murdering people has been defeated.

Burnham accused No 10 of treating the north of England as a “sacrificial lamb” for a flawed regional lockdown policy. He said that the UK government knew that regional lockdowns, involving places like Greater Manchester going facing tier 3 restrictions, would not work. The only thing that would work was a national lockdown, he said. In his opening statement he said:

But the government told us this morning it is unwilling to do that because of the damage it will do to the national economy.

And yet that is what they want to impose on the North West.

So that was our conclusion from the No10 meeting this morning: they are willing to sacrifice jobs and businesses here to try and save them elsewhere.

Greater Manchester, the Liverpool City-Region and Lancashire are being set up as the canaries in the coalmine for an experimental regional lockdown strategy as an attempt to prevent the expense of what is truly needed.

In the Q&A he said:

We have to protect the health the nation. But let’s do it as one nation, and not make the north of England the sacrificial lamb for an ill-thought-through Downing Street policy which doesn’t make sense in the real world.

And he also accused the government of treating the north “with contempt”. He said:

People are fed up of being treated in this way, the north is fed up of being pushed around. We aren’t going to be pushed around any more.

He said that that the financial support offered to Greater Manchester if it went into tier 3 was not enough. As an example, he said it would not do anything for freelance workers. So tier 3 would result in “certain hardship, job losses and business failure”.

He set out the level of support he was demanding if Greater Manchester were to go into tier 3. He said:

The very least they should be offering the people of Greater Manchester who will be affected by these closures is: a full and fair 80% furlough for all affected workers; 80% income support for people who are self-employed; and a proper compensation scheme for businesses.

He said Greater Manchester would “stand firm” against the government. He said:

This is an important moment. Greater Manchester will stand firm.

We are fighting back – for fairness and for the health of our people in the broadest sense.

BREAKING: 34 Labour MPs rebelled and voted against the #CHISBill pic.twitter.com/o2BSqhs0BE

— Balance of Power (@BalancePowerUK) October 15, 2020

34 Lab MPs voted no:

Abbott
Ali
Barker
Begum
Blake
Burgon
Butler
Byrne
Carden
Corbyn
Davies
Kelly Foy
Gardiner
Greenwood
Hopkins
Johnson
Lavery
Lewis
Lloyd
RLB
McDonnell
Mearns
Mishra
Morris
Osamor
Osborne
Owen
Ribeiro-Addy
Russell-Moyle
Sultana
Trickett
Whitley
Whittome
Winter https://t.co/87sw1srkPZ

— Stats for Lefties (@LeftieStats) October 15, 2020

Trying to process this by considering how many past convictions the act would've prevented and suspecting it might be zero.

might be a good question to ask a former barrister with years of human rights/public law experience

xp yeah cunts gonna cunt basically, but you just can’t pretend you’re on the left in good conscience and say that Hillsborough/spycops/Pat Finucane’s murder were all good and fine.

One of the last bits of investigative journalism that impressed me was the Guardian's work on spy cops. Seven years on, the paper's choice of Labour leader has refused to oppose a bill legalising such activity, while the leader they relentlessly vilified stood firmly against it.

— Juliet. (@zinovievletter) October 15, 2020

Lol @ hours agonising over it.

You can read my speech and then go down as well to Connor McGinn. The bill isn’t retrospective and Labour is fully committed to inquiries on Orgreave and Hillsborough

As I said how I voted was marginal and I spent many hours agonising over ithttps://t.co/xrt2q8DYPm

— Alex Sobel (@alexsobel) October 15, 2020

why don't they get on with the breakaway party fgs

to be clear, the breakaway party that i'd be in favour of and would vote for, zip it alphie

What's that then, something like Change UK?

Is it going to be like this all lockdown? Think I’d rather post my poll about being vegetarian/vegan “when required”, ffs.

zip it alphie

Is this the party name? UZip?

I’d donate to it

normal names like Progress won't cut it in this dire moment

you want something that suggests electoral success, so i’d go with winzip tbrr

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