Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

And if we can't read anything into his transition team, his public statements, the statements of people close to him, then we've closed off all possibility of criticism of Biden.

One of his points of bragging during the summer was about his success working on the 2010 budget compromise with McConnell - which was a campaign of cuts that could have cost his second term and made life worst for most Americans. If you want to realpolitik it that there was no other option, okay - but bragging about it as a marker of what bipartisanship can be?!

cost Obama his second term

If progressives want Joe Biden or any other Democratic president to make all the changes in this country and its government that we are seeking, then the voters must provide the party with the power to do it, which means better candidates, a better Congress and better national delegate who pass a better platform. We have Joe Biden today because progressives have not yet succeeded in capturing the party or winning the nation to our side. We made some good progress in that direction, but not nearly enough.

Democracy sucks when you can't get the votes.

I suspect that Democratic leadership is actually breathing a sigh of relief that ACB will sail through nomination, even without any of them embarrassing themselves by having to vote for her.

Not a one has the least bit of interest in a the Green Dream (“or whatever”), uni healthcare, or really anything that matches their base.

The great thing about upholding the “sanctity” of the Supreme Court, pretending that it’s not a purely political institution is that when it comes to challenging capital, votes don’t really matter. Cool!

xp None of that absolves Joe Biden or centrist Democrats, does it? If "you didn't get the votes, suxor" was the end of things, we wouldn't have several hundred thousand posts detailing the awfulness of Donald Trump over the last four years.

I honestly think if there were enough republicans that could sabotage her nomination (4?), Manchin or the like would step up to the plate and just couch it as the will of his WV constituents.

btw... instead of trying to have him banned

tbrr bans via FPs are brief respites and are meant as corrective admonitions for people who do not respond well to direct feedback on threads. milo won't listen to anyone and seems to think bending an inch is out of the question, because he is required to be always right. maybe he'd notice a ban. anyway, it won't happen until he collects a significant number of FPs.

xp None of that absolves Joe Biden or centrist Democrats, does it? If "you didn't get the votes, suxor" was the end of things, we wouldn't have several hundred thousand posts detailing the awfulness of Donald Trump over the last four years.

truth

green dream is a marijuana strand. pelosi was just saying "whatever" to that because she prefers indicas

None of that absolves Joe Biden or centrist Democrats, does it?

Absolution is beside the point. Making the right things happen is the whole point. And that takes votes. Getting votes is work. Making change happen is work. Taking the streets is work. A general strike is work. Revolution is work. Any path you choose is work. But complaining isn't work.

milo, do you think that if you were banned for refusing to listen, you might finally notice that it's not out of the question for you to bend an inch? and as a follow-up question, why are you required to always be right?

never give an inch
when you think you're wrong, change the subject to a new provocative idea instead
as everyone grapples with your past, create new things to grapple with

and whatever you do - never admit you're wrong

these are my community recommendations

the answer most likely will be along the lines of 'I didn't do anything wrong, do not need to change, because all my critics are wrong and I am not doing anything wrong and shouldn't have to change a thing.'

that's acceptable because it doesn't admit any wrongdoing, but what's lacking there is changing the subject to something new. say no - deny deny - but then pivot. NO, then PIVOT. NO, then PIVOT.

did i do anything wrong? no - but all i'm saying is voting doesn't really matter tho

To be clear I usually don't think milo is wrong. Frequently right! Just boring, because it's not actionable.

Aimless has the right of it. What are the intermediate steps between where we are and where we want to be? Hint: they are difficult.

Absolution is beside the point. Making the right things happen is the whole point

Nothing on ILX is actionable. The hundreds of thousands of posts about Donald Trump sucking did not change the world, did not come up with a new and effective way to take him down, did not even come up with a new line of criticism. This is somehow only a charge applied to various people who've offered up criticism from the left, whether they've been driven off or not.

You're allowed to spend 15 years saying Biden sucks; I'm allowed to spend 6 months saying that that's boring. Deal?

Aimless has the right of it. What are the intermediate steps between where we are and where we want to be? Hint: they are difficult.

it's a difficult process that involves a lot of talking, a lot of listening, and a lot of forcing brief respites on people who refuse to listen when you tell them they're not as right as you

xp Sure! Have I ever told you to stop? Or told anyone to stop defending Joe Biden?

Being critical of Joe Biden isn't new or interesting - but he keeps dropping new hints about the ways he sucks and how he is not up to meet the task of being President on the back of millions of voters who are not rich, white and old like he is, who do not fantasize about the good old days of crossing the aisle.

Being critical of Joe Biden isn't new or interesting

qft

whatever (abhorrent) "positive, appealing vision" Trump had for his base in 2016 is gone in 2020.

I dunno, I reckon there's a lot to appreciate in his 2020 platform.

For the past 8 years America has been led in the wrong direction.

Our economy has become unnecessarily weak with stagnant wages. People living paycheck to paycheck are struggling, sacrificing, and suffering.

Our standing in world affairs has declined significantly — our enemies no longer fear us and our friends no long trust us. The men and women of our military...have been shortchanged in numbers, equipment, and benefits by a Commander in Chief who treats the Armed Forces and our veterans as a necessary inconvenience.

The President and the ... party have dismantled Americans’ system of healthcare. They have replaced it with a costly and complicated scheme that limits choices and takes away our freedom.

The President and the ... party have abandoned their promise of being accountable to the American people.

who do not fantasize about the good old days of crossing the aisle.

instead we should fantasize constantly about just what awful things Biden will do if he wins and how futile our future will be.

ass cock tits

^^ in descending order of preference

awful ass < awful cock < awful tits

we've just revolutionized rock paper scissors

although I guess cock covers everything

cream get the money

It's not beside the point in response to criticism. This isn't the What Must Be Done Leftist Strategy Meeting thread - which wouldn't exist on ILX - it's the Joe Biden fuckin' sucks thread, as it has been for more than 15 years.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Wednesday, October 21, 2020 2:55 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Maybe it should!

all my friends callll me a fool
they say let the woman take care of you

seems apropos Social Activism in the Age of Trump: What To Do and What We Are Doing

Sorry. That thread cannot exist on ilx.

im adopting a wait and see approach

― identity politics rooted in tolkienism (darraghmac), Saturday, 3 December 2016 15:39 (three years ago)

we did not, but im offering up a hearty "fuck the dems" just for morbs tonight.

:)

good to see you, darraghmac

Morbs was an idealist. Politics is brutally disappointing for idealists.

<3 deems

fuck the dems*, viva idealism, viva morbs

*not really

oh boy, i do regret creating this thread and my posts from a decade ago. things done changed between now and then.

and no, i'm NOT voting third party this year -- if anyone cares.

Dude!! Welcome back. I assume you’re gonna post like maybe one more time and then disappear again, but welcome back.

it's hilarious that the trumpers are trying to go hard with a whole email thing again.

And fire the FBI director!

lol becasue he won't do what the other FBI director did