Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

green dream is a marijuana strand. pelosi was just saying "whatever" to that because she prefers indicas

None of that absolves Joe Biden or centrist Democrats, does it?

Absolution is beside the point. Making the right things happen is the whole point. And that takes votes. Getting votes is work. Making change happen is work. Taking the streets is work. A general strike is work. Revolution is work. Any path you choose is work. But complaining isn't work.

milo, do you think that if you were banned for refusing to listen, you might finally notice that it's not out of the question for you to bend an inch? and as a follow-up question, why are you required to always be right?

never give an inch
when you think you're wrong, change the subject to a new provocative idea instead
as everyone grapples with your past, create new things to grapple with

and whatever you do - never admit you're wrong

these are my community recommendations

the answer most likely will be along the lines of 'I didn't do anything wrong, do not need to change, because all my critics are wrong and I am not doing anything wrong and shouldn't have to change a thing.'

that's acceptable because it doesn't admit any wrongdoing, but what's lacking there is changing the subject to something new. say no - deny deny - but then pivot. NO, then PIVOT. NO, then PIVOT.

did i do anything wrong? no - but all i'm saying is voting doesn't really matter tho

To be clear I usually don't think milo is wrong. Frequently right! Just boring, because it's not actionable.

Aimless has the right of it. What are the intermediate steps between where we are and where we want to be? Hint: they are difficult.

Absolution is beside the point. Making the right things happen is the whole point

Nothing on ILX is actionable. The hundreds of thousands of posts about Donald Trump sucking did not change the world, did not come up with a new and effective way to take him down, did not even come up with a new line of criticism. This is somehow only a charge applied to various people who've offered up criticism from the left, whether they've been driven off or not.

You're allowed to spend 15 years saying Biden sucks; I'm allowed to spend 6 months saying that that's boring. Deal?

Aimless has the right of it. What are the intermediate steps between where we are and where we want to be? Hint: they are difficult.

it's a difficult process that involves a lot of talking, a lot of listening, and a lot of forcing brief respites on people who refuse to listen when you tell them they're not as right as you

xp Sure! Have I ever told you to stop? Or told anyone to stop defending Joe Biden?

Being critical of Joe Biden isn't new or interesting - but he keeps dropping new hints about the ways he sucks and how he is not up to meet the task of being President on the back of millions of voters who are not rich, white and old like he is, who do not fantasize about the good old days of crossing the aisle.

Being critical of Joe Biden isn't new or interesting

qft

whatever (abhorrent) "positive, appealing vision" Trump had for his base in 2016 is gone in 2020.

I dunno, I reckon there's a lot to appreciate in his 2020 platform.

For the past 8 years America has been led in the wrong direction.

Our economy has become unnecessarily weak with stagnant wages. People living paycheck to paycheck are struggling, sacrificing, and suffering.

Our standing in world affairs has declined significantly — our enemies no longer fear us and our friends no long trust us. The men and women of our military...have been shortchanged in numbers, equipment, and benefits by a Commander in Chief who treats the Armed Forces and our veterans as a necessary inconvenience.

The President and the ... party have dismantled Americans’ system of healthcare. They have replaced it with a costly and complicated scheme that limits choices and takes away our freedom.

The President and the ... party have abandoned their promise of being accountable to the American people.

who do not fantasize about the good old days of crossing the aisle.

instead we should fantasize constantly about just what awful things Biden will do if he wins and how futile our future will be.

ass cock tits

^^ in descending order of preference

awful ass < awful cock < awful tits

we've just revolutionized rock paper scissors

although I guess cock covers everything

cream get the money

It's not beside the point in response to criticism. This isn't the What Must Be Done Leftist Strategy Meeting thread - which wouldn't exist on ILX - it's the Joe Biden fuckin' sucks thread, as it has been for more than 15 years.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Wednesday, October 21, 2020 2:55 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Maybe it should!

all my friends callll me a fool
they say let the woman take care of you

seems apropos Social Activism in the Age of Trump: What To Do and What We Are Doing

Sorry. That thread cannot exist on ilx.

im adopting a wait and see approach

― identity politics rooted in tolkienism (darraghmac), Saturday, 3 December 2016 15:39 (three years ago)

we did not, but im offering up a hearty "fuck the dems" just for morbs tonight.

:)

good to see you, darraghmac

Morbs was an idealist. Politics is brutally disappointing for idealists.

<3 deems

fuck the dems*, viva idealism, viva morbs

*not really

oh boy, i do regret creating this thread and my posts from a decade ago. things done changed between now and then.

and no, i'm NOT voting third party this year -- if anyone cares.

Dude!! Welcome back. I assume you’re gonna post like maybe one more time and then disappear again, but welcome back.

it's hilarious that the trumpers are trying to go hard with a whole email thing again.

And fire the FBI director!

lol becasue he won't do what the other FBI director did

the emails thing only worked with Clinton because a) sexism, b) it was a narrative that was hammered home and in the mainstream for several months, c) it involved the narrative of "threatening national security", and d) naive independent voters somehow thought Trump would be free of corruption.

fatal flaw with the Hunter Biden emails is that now everybody's had nearly 4 years to be exposed to Trump's corruption and ineptitude, it's a retread of an old scandal (nobody likes sequels), it's a pandemic with a much more over-stuffed news cycle where not as many people are engaging with the story, and Trump was impeached over his handling of the Ukraine, so more people are realizing this is just retaliatory.

it is very hilarious that this is all they know how to do. hoping that we avoid a Comey 2.0, but idk that the race would be tight enough for that to matter this time. doesn't mean I won't worry.

xpost lol, yes, Trump wants the current FBI director to do the same act that was disingenuously fed to the public as one of the reasons the previous director was fired. he's really that dumb.

Latest Biden scandal in the making is that not only does he love his wayward son, there is apparently photographic proof! He gives him a hug and a kiss on the head! Needless to say, election's over.

the emails thing only worked with Clinton because

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/06/us/elusive-papers-of-law-firm-are-found-at-white-house.html

fatal flaw with the Hunter Biden emails is that now everybody's had nearly 4 years to be exposed to Trump's corruption and ineptitude

Also because, lol, elected officials' children getting rich is not a great talking point from Donald Motherfucking Trump.

There's a saying about

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/81/Billy_Joel_-_Glass_Houses.jpg/220px-Billy_Joel_-_Glass_Houses.jpg

If progressives want Joe Biden or any other Democratic president to make all the changes in this country and its government that we are seeking, then the voters must provide the party with the power to do it, which means better candidates, a better Congress and better national delegate who pass a better platform. We have Joe Biden today because progressives have not yet succeeded in capturing the party or winning the nation to our side. We made some good progress in that direction, but not nearly enough.

Democracy sucks when you can't get the votes.

― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Wednesday, October 21, 2020 12:20 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Just to quibble, but many in the population are for the legalization of marijuana, Medicare for All, and any number of other progressive causes large and small.

It is the Democratic establishment that isn't paying attention to its constituents and the way the nation is heading who continue to hold the line on the status quo-money train.

I agree with a lot of your posts, Aimless, but regarding this particular issue, you're just not correct, no matter how many times you state it.

Also, fuck the Dems. Viva Morbz.

many in the population are for the legalization of marijuana, Medicare for All, and any number of other progressive causes large and small.

Just "being for" something does not make it magically happen. In the case of legislation, there's a whole train of actions that need to happen, which only culminate in passage of a bill. And if the current democratic candidate doesn't pay attention, a better candidate needs to run and win, which is one of the very hardest parts to make happen. I'll say it over and over. Because it is true.

Ours isn't an ideal system by any stretch of the imagination. It's purposely designed to be hard to change. The process requires taking a fucking lot of steps. But it is designed to be a numbers game at every step in the process and if you get the numbers, you get control. Not opinion poll numbers, not "being for" numbers, but active votes at the polls, in the conventions, in the legislatures.

yeah I don’t think it’s cRaZy to suggest that the donor class and Dem leadership are grinding the gears of broadly popular progressive legislation at every possible turn. they spend a lot of their time and resources thumbing the scales, actively campaigning against, and outright ratfucking unapologetically Left politicians at the local/state/ House levels. can’t risk another AOC getting through.

a lot has been made of the Lincoln Project’s unique ability to fight in a way that Democrats haven’t been able to manage since Reagan. but tbh Dems are probably just worn out from punching Left.