Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

that's acceptable because it doesn't admit any wrongdoing, but what's lacking there is changing the subject to something new. say no - deny deny - but then pivot. NO, then PIVOT. NO, then PIVOT.

did i do anything wrong? no - but all i'm saying is voting doesn't really matter tho

To be clear I usually don't think milo is wrong. Frequently right! Just boring, because it's not actionable.

Aimless has the right of it. What are the intermediate steps between where we are and where we want to be? Hint: they are difficult.

Absolution is beside the point. Making the right things happen is the whole point

Nothing on ILX is actionable. The hundreds of thousands of posts about Donald Trump sucking did not change the world, did not come up with a new and effective way to take him down, did not even come up with a new line of criticism. This is somehow only a charge applied to various people who've offered up criticism from the left, whether they've been driven off or not.

You're allowed to spend 15 years saying Biden sucks; I'm allowed to spend 6 months saying that that's boring. Deal?

Aimless has the right of it. What are the intermediate steps between where we are and where we want to be? Hint: they are difficult.

it's a difficult process that involves a lot of talking, a lot of listening, and a lot of forcing brief respites on people who refuse to listen when you tell them they're not as right as you

xp Sure! Have I ever told you to stop? Or told anyone to stop defending Joe Biden?

Being critical of Joe Biden isn't new or interesting - but he keeps dropping new hints about the ways he sucks and how he is not up to meet the task of being President on the back of millions of voters who are not rich, white and old like he is, who do not fantasize about the good old days of crossing the aisle.

Being critical of Joe Biden isn't new or interesting

qft

whatever (abhorrent) "positive, appealing vision" Trump had for his base in 2016 is gone in 2020.

I dunno, I reckon there's a lot to appreciate in his 2020 platform.

For the past 8 years America has been led in the wrong direction.

Our economy has become unnecessarily weak with stagnant wages. People living paycheck to paycheck are struggling, sacrificing, and suffering.

Our standing in world affairs has declined significantly — our enemies no longer fear us and our friends no long trust us. The men and women of our military...have been shortchanged in numbers, equipment, and benefits by a Commander in Chief who treats the Armed Forces and our veterans as a necessary inconvenience.

The President and the ... party have dismantled Americans’ system of healthcare. They have replaced it with a costly and complicated scheme that limits choices and takes away our freedom.

The President and the ... party have abandoned their promise of being accountable to the American people.

who do not fantasize about the good old days of crossing the aisle.

instead we should fantasize constantly about just what awful things Biden will do if he wins and how futile our future will be.

ass cock tits

^^ in descending order of preference

awful ass < awful cock < awful tits

we've just revolutionized rock paper scissors

although I guess cock covers everything

cream get the money

It's not beside the point in response to criticism. This isn't the What Must Be Done Leftist Strategy Meeting thread - which wouldn't exist on ILX - it's the Joe Biden fuckin' sucks thread, as it has been for more than 15 years.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Wednesday, October 21, 2020 2:55 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Maybe it should!

all my friends callll me a fool
they say let the woman take care of you

seems apropos Social Activism in the Age of Trump: What To Do and What We Are Doing

Sorry. That thread cannot exist on ilx.

im adopting a wait and see approach

― identity politics rooted in tolkienism (darraghmac), Saturday, 3 December 2016 15:39 (three years ago)

we did not, but im offering up a hearty "fuck the dems" just for morbs tonight.

:)

good to see you, darraghmac

Morbs was an idealist. Politics is brutally disappointing for idealists.

<3 deems

fuck the dems*, viva idealism, viva morbs

*not really

oh boy, i do regret creating this thread and my posts from a decade ago. things done changed between now and then.

and no, i'm NOT voting third party this year -- if anyone cares.

Dude!! Welcome back. I assume you’re gonna post like maybe one more time and then disappear again, but welcome back.

it's hilarious that the trumpers are trying to go hard with a whole email thing again.

And fire the FBI director!

lol becasue he won't do what the other FBI director did

the emails thing only worked with Clinton because a) sexism, b) it was a narrative that was hammered home and in the mainstream for several months, c) it involved the narrative of "threatening national security", and d) naive independent voters somehow thought Trump would be free of corruption.

fatal flaw with the Hunter Biden emails is that now everybody's had nearly 4 years to be exposed to Trump's corruption and ineptitude, it's a retread of an old scandal (nobody likes sequels), it's a pandemic with a much more over-stuffed news cycle where not as many people are engaging with the story, and Trump was impeached over his handling of the Ukraine, so more people are realizing this is just retaliatory.

it is very hilarious that this is all they know how to do. hoping that we avoid a Comey 2.0, but idk that the race would be tight enough for that to matter this time. doesn't mean I won't worry.

xpost lol, yes, Trump wants the current FBI director to do the same act that was disingenuously fed to the public as one of the reasons the previous director was fired. he's really that dumb.

Latest Biden scandal in the making is that not only does he love his wayward son, there is apparently photographic proof! He gives him a hug and a kiss on the head! Needless to say, election's over.

the emails thing only worked with Clinton because

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/06/us/elusive-papers-of-law-firm-are-found-at-white-house.html

fatal flaw with the Hunter Biden emails is that now everybody's had nearly 4 years to be exposed to Trump's corruption and ineptitude

Also because, lol, elected officials' children getting rich is not a great talking point from Donald Motherfucking Trump.

There's a saying about

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/81/Billy_Joel_-_Glass_Houses.jpg/220px-Billy_Joel_-_Glass_Houses.jpg

If progressives want Joe Biden or any other Democratic president to make all the changes in this country and its government that we are seeking, then the voters must provide the party with the power to do it, which means better candidates, a better Congress and better national delegate who pass a better platform. We have Joe Biden today because progressives have not yet succeeded in capturing the party or winning the nation to our side. We made some good progress in that direction, but not nearly enough.

Democracy sucks when you can't get the votes.

― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Wednesday, October 21, 2020 12:20 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Just to quibble, but many in the population are for the legalization of marijuana, Medicare for All, and any number of other progressive causes large and small.

It is the Democratic establishment that isn't paying attention to its constituents and the way the nation is heading who continue to hold the line on the status quo-money train.

I agree with a lot of your posts, Aimless, but regarding this particular issue, you're just not correct, no matter how many times you state it.

Also, fuck the Dems. Viva Morbz.

many in the population are for the legalization of marijuana, Medicare for All, and any number of other progressive causes large and small.

Just "being for" something does not make it magically happen. In the case of legislation, there's a whole train of actions that need to happen, which only culminate in passage of a bill. And if the current democratic candidate doesn't pay attention, a better candidate needs to run and win, which is one of the very hardest parts to make happen. I'll say it over and over. Because it is true.

Ours isn't an ideal system by any stretch of the imagination. It's purposely designed to be hard to change. The process requires taking a fucking lot of steps. But it is designed to be a numbers game at every step in the process and if you get the numbers, you get control. Not opinion poll numbers, not "being for" numbers, but active votes at the polls, in the conventions, in the legislatures.

yeah I don’t think it’s cRaZy to suggest that the donor class and Dem leadership are grinding the gears of broadly popular progressive legislation at every possible turn. they spend a lot of their time and resources thumbing the scales, actively campaigning against, and outright ratfucking unapologetically Left politicians at the local/state/ House levels. can’t risk another AOC getting through.

a lot has been made of the Lincoln Project’s unique ability to fight in a way that Democrats haven’t been able to manage since Reagan. but tbh Dems are probably just worn out from punching Left.

And yet you seem to believe that the system isn't full of ratfucking shills like Biden who will do anything to hold onto power, including knock the wind out of progressives with less power?

Please.

tbf, wealthy powerful elite conservatives don’t really have any ideological issues with the demands of their constituents. or if they do, it’s mostly just aesthetic, and those regressive policies are never going to actually apply to them (the elite)... while the Democratic elite are very much at odds with large portions of people they rely on for votes.

Xpost to Aimless

the massive electoral advantage the GOP enjoys in the face of shrinking demographics while anchoring themselves to generally unpopular policies is noteworthy. but the lack of ideological daylight between their voters and their leadership probably doesn’t hurt, either.

yet you seem to believe that the system isn't full of ratfucking shills like Biden

Of course the system is full of what you choose to call ratfucking shills, because the people who benefit from that have been working on that outcome since before any of us were born. I know US history and have lived through a fair chunk of it. The nation is about 240 years old and I'm about 66 years old. But each time the ratfucking shills gave ground it was because people organized and acted, not because they complained.

2021 needs progressive libs who are actually badasses with acid tongues. more AOC, not more wistful teary-eyed politicians who keep saying "somebody should do something, I harshly condemn these actions!"

But each time the ratfucking shills gave ground it was because people organized and acted, not because they complained.

You always fail to recognize that these are not mutually exclusive. People have sat around in their living room bitching to their friends about the boss's bullshit or the crooked mayor's bullshit or the scumsucking local feudal lord's bullshit for time immemorial. That's part of the process. Anger builds to organization in many ways.