Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

Morbs was an idealist. Politics is brutally disappointing for idealists.

<3 deems

fuck the dems*, viva idealism, viva morbs

*not really

oh boy, i do regret creating this thread and my posts from a decade ago. things done changed between now and then.

and no, i'm NOT voting third party this year -- if anyone cares.

Dude!! Welcome back. I assume you’re gonna post like maybe one more time and then disappear again, but welcome back.

it's hilarious that the trumpers are trying to go hard with a whole email thing again.

And fire the FBI director!

lol becasue he won't do what the other FBI director did

the emails thing only worked with Clinton because a) sexism, b) it was a narrative that was hammered home and in the mainstream for several months, c) it involved the narrative of "threatening national security", and d) naive independent voters somehow thought Trump would be free of corruption.

fatal flaw with the Hunter Biden emails is that now everybody's had nearly 4 years to be exposed to Trump's corruption and ineptitude, it's a retread of an old scandal (nobody likes sequels), it's a pandemic with a much more over-stuffed news cycle where not as many people are engaging with the story, and Trump was impeached over his handling of the Ukraine, so more people are realizing this is just retaliatory.

it is very hilarious that this is all they know how to do. hoping that we avoid a Comey 2.0, but idk that the race would be tight enough for that to matter this time. doesn't mean I won't worry.

xpost lol, yes, Trump wants the current FBI director to do the same act that was disingenuously fed to the public as one of the reasons the previous director was fired. he's really that dumb.

Latest Biden scandal in the making is that not only does he love his wayward son, there is apparently photographic proof! He gives him a hug and a kiss on the head! Needless to say, election's over.

the emails thing only worked with Clinton because

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/06/us/elusive-papers-of-law-firm-are-found-at-white-house.html

fatal flaw with the Hunter Biden emails is that now everybody's had nearly 4 years to be exposed to Trump's corruption and ineptitude

Also because, lol, elected officials' children getting rich is not a great talking point from Donald Motherfucking Trump.

There's a saying about

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/81/Billy_Joel_-_Glass_Houses.jpg/220px-Billy_Joel_-_Glass_Houses.jpg

If progressives want Joe Biden or any other Democratic president to make all the changes in this country and its government that we are seeking, then the voters must provide the party with the power to do it, which means better candidates, a better Congress and better national delegate who pass a better platform. We have Joe Biden today because progressives have not yet succeeded in capturing the party or winning the nation to our side. We made some good progress in that direction, but not nearly enough.

Democracy sucks when you can't get the votes.

― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Wednesday, October 21, 2020 12:20 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Just to quibble, but many in the population are for the legalization of marijuana, Medicare for All, and any number of other progressive causes large and small.

It is the Democratic establishment that isn't paying attention to its constituents and the way the nation is heading who continue to hold the line on the status quo-money train.

I agree with a lot of your posts, Aimless, but regarding this particular issue, you're just not correct, no matter how many times you state it.

Also, fuck the Dems. Viva Morbz.

many in the population are for the legalization of marijuana, Medicare for All, and any number of other progressive causes large and small.

Just "being for" something does not make it magically happen. In the case of legislation, there's a whole train of actions that need to happen, which only culminate in passage of a bill. And if the current democratic candidate doesn't pay attention, a better candidate needs to run and win, which is one of the very hardest parts to make happen. I'll say it over and over. Because it is true.

Ours isn't an ideal system by any stretch of the imagination. It's purposely designed to be hard to change. The process requires taking a fucking lot of steps. But it is designed to be a numbers game at every step in the process and if you get the numbers, you get control. Not opinion poll numbers, not "being for" numbers, but active votes at the polls, in the conventions, in the legislatures.

yeah I don’t think it’s cRaZy to suggest that the donor class and Dem leadership are grinding the gears of broadly popular progressive legislation at every possible turn. they spend a lot of their time and resources thumbing the scales, actively campaigning against, and outright ratfucking unapologetically Left politicians at the local/state/ House levels. can’t risk another AOC getting through.

a lot has been made of the Lincoln Project’s unique ability to fight in a way that Democrats haven’t been able to manage since Reagan. but tbh Dems are probably just worn out from punching Left.

And yet you seem to believe that the system isn't full of ratfucking shills like Biden who will do anything to hold onto power, including knock the wind out of progressives with less power?

Please.

tbf, wealthy powerful elite conservatives don’t really have any ideological issues with the demands of their constituents. or if they do, it’s mostly just aesthetic, and those regressive policies are never going to actually apply to them (the elite)... while the Democratic elite are very much at odds with large portions of people they rely on for votes.

Xpost to Aimless

the massive electoral advantage the GOP enjoys in the face of shrinking demographics while anchoring themselves to generally unpopular policies is noteworthy. but the lack of ideological daylight between their voters and their leadership probably doesn’t hurt, either.

yet you seem to believe that the system isn't full of ratfucking shills like Biden

Of course the system is full of what you choose to call ratfucking shills, because the people who benefit from that have been working on that outcome since before any of us were born. I know US history and have lived through a fair chunk of it. The nation is about 240 years old and I'm about 66 years old. But each time the ratfucking shills gave ground it was because people organized and acted, not because they complained.

2021 needs progressive libs who are actually badasses with acid tongues. more AOC, not more wistful teary-eyed politicians who keep saying "somebody should do something, I harshly condemn these actions!"

But each time the ratfucking shills gave ground it was because people organized and acted, not because they complained.

You always fail to recognize that these are not mutually exclusive. People have sat around in their living room bitching to their friends about the boss's bullshit or the crooked mayor's bullshit or the scumsucking local feudal lord's bullshit for time immemorial. That's part of the process. Anger builds to organization in many ways.

And so what do you call this summer's protests, Aimless, and the Biden camp's response? Movement out on the streets for months, every day.

"Shoot em in the knees instead."

If you can't fathom why people are disgusted by our current political system and are also too worn out by trying to survive to start revolutionary cells to overthrow it, then you understand less about human nature than you think you do.

And for the record, I have been participating in political organizing of some kind for a long while.

Aimless the system was not “designed to work like this”

And so what do you call this summer's protests, Aimless, and the Biden camp's response?

I call that effective organizing by BLM, bringing a million people to the street who would not have been in the street without BLM organizers laying the groundwork since 2014. But ultimately it's the failure of progressives to find enough votes to nominate a better candidate than Biden. He's the nominee because he won the numbers game. But electing a president whose first allegiance is to progressives and our issues is more like the final step in a long progression, the ripe fruit of organizing on a national scale.

Getting Sanders recognized as a serious contender who could pull in money and votes in the millions was a big step forward. Biden now considers progressives to be a key piece in his coalition, which is helpful, but not decisive. Electing many new articulate progressive representatives like AOC, Ilhan Omar and company was indicative of moving the ball ahead in ways that I haven't seen for decades. It's all very encouraging to me after watching politics since the mid-60s.

Aimless the system was not “designed to work like this”

Why do you say that? The current system was designed by the people who are running that system. It keeps evolving its design and what we have now would be wholly unrecognizable to someone from 50 years ago, let alone 200 years ago.

Aimless the system was not “designed to work like this”

― error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, October 22, 2020 6:49 PM bookmarkflaglink

lol

Here's some good discussion fodder for the What Needs to Be Done Leftist Strategy Meeting thread:

"The Bernie Organizers Who Want to Elect Biden—Then Defeat Him"
https://newrepublic.com/article/159880/bernie-supporters-organizers-for-biden

I mean, the system was originally designed so that I was only worth 60% of most of you so having it be slanted against a given demographic seems to be a feature, not a bug

Dude!! Welcome back. I assume you’re gonna post like maybe one more time and then disappear again, but welcome back.

Hello again Tombot. afraid you're right -- i'm probably gonna disappear again shortly, i don't have as much time these days. but i'll be around for a short while anyway. and i am a bit embarrassed that i was the one that created this thread, in light of everything that's happened between then and now.

SPITTING FIRE

Obama SPITTING FIRE stumping for Biden in Miami:

"Joe Biden is not a socialist. He was a Senator from Delaware, he was my VP... I think people would know if he was a socialist by now."

— Charlotte Alter (@CharlotteAlter) October 24, 2020

tbf, Obama is in Florida where Biden is being tarred as a combination of Stalin and Fidel Castro.

an interesting application of the term "spitting fire"

that was kinda "last name: ever, first name: greatest" levels of spitting

last name Biden, first name not a socialist

joe knows that 80% of his coalition are broadly within the anti-stalinist western marxist tradition and he's gambling that the other 20% - mostly hardcore anti-revisionists - have nowhere else to go. let's see how that plays out in the tankbelt though https://t.co/9d11UAVVvs

— Rory Scothorne (@shirkerism) October 25, 2020

The Unbearable Lightness of Biden

(Aaaaand, that's it, folks. The most literary, the most erudite, yet still somehow stupid #dadjokey pun post I have ever made, and likely will ever make. I should probably retire.)

Dadjoking is an incurable degenerative disease. Take it from one who knows.

Oh Boy, Big Daddy Biden going to continue to topple democratically elected leaders for sweet, sweet resources while blaming it all on leftists and the specter of communism!

God I fucking hate this asshole

He’ll make the CIA great again.

So seems like most are hoping he gets in so we can wait around 4 years for something better.
I guess it's just a matter of.....

Biden our time

<dadjoke armsrace>

80% of his coalition are broadly within the anti-stalinist western marxist tradition

...no?

I had trouble cutting through that thicket of adjectives too.

I just assumed xyz was posting that tweet for the lolz, which is clearly its intended purpose anyway

It is for the lolz, Rory is a commentator on English and Scottish Politics.

Obv that Biden tweet is one for the 'we'll make sanctions great again' pile.

honestly "Biden our Time" is probably where a lot of us are at tbh --