Technological/practical "backward steps" we all just accept now

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I sent a fax today
To see if i still feel

Neanderthal, Monday, 26 October 2020 22:16 (three years ago) link

a backward step we all accepted long ago: printer manufacturers not bothering to update drivers for older models

sorry, HP LaserJet 1012, you're in perfect working order but suddenly my Mac can't talk to you anymore


beard papa, Thursday, 29 October 2020 06:54 (three years ago) link

I don't know if this fits, but certain channels slightly speeding up old TV shows to squeeze in more ads into the same runtime. Noticed this today watching Gunsmoke with dropframes on TVLand, which was followed by an an un-doctored Andy Griffith that ran 35 minutes with ads.

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 29 October 2020 08:48 (three years ago) link

Radio stations are notorious for speeding up songs and have been doing so for decades. Not surprised at all by this.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 29 October 2020 09:01 (three years ago) link

Seinfeld plays sped up by 7.5% in repeats to fit in more ads

(and on streaming they cut out about a quarter of the picture)

Un-fooled and placid (sic), Thursday, 29 October 2020 09:11 (three years ago) link

yeah I noticed that picture cutting on Prime recently, bothered me at first but made my peace with it fairly quickly - particularly because if I ever replay Seinfeld I only need it on in the background whilst doing something else.

Two Meter Peter (Ste), Thursday, 29 October 2020 09:37 (three years ago) link

Pan-and-scan 4:3 versions stretched to 16:9 is the only way to watch films properly.

Alba, Thursday, 29 October 2020 12:01 (three years ago) link

i sometimes see Charmed repeats on 4 music and they are doing exactly that for those.

koogs, Thursday, 29 October 2020 13:11 (three years ago) link

this explains why I've kept complaining when I put Nick at Night on that everybody's voice sounds a wee bit 'higher pitched' on Friends.

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 October 2020 13:29 (three years ago) link

I can foresee a day when I have my own separate television that does not play through speakers or connect to Chrome or Home or anything else, and which has just one remote, which does not need to be programmed. This television will not require the intervention of a fucking tech person to turn on so that I can just watch my quizzes when I want. Jesus.

trishyb, Thursday, 29 October 2020 18:47 (three years ago) link

That wincing high frequency 'hear things from the perspective of a character who just survived a bomb going off or might be about to have a seizure' sound that is in SO many dramas now and goes on for over ten seconds or more sometimes...I need an auto-mute button for this.

nashwan, Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:49 (three years ago) link

have we talked about 2FA and password complexity and how both are gigantic buckets of bullshit yet

shout-out to his family (DJP), Thursday, 29 October 2020 20:31 (three years ago) link

pretty much why I'm always locked out of everything

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 October 2020 21:18 (three years ago) link

xp - I have definitely experienced comedic results of 2FA

sarahell, Friday, 30 October 2020 00:08 (three years ago) link

the classic:

Person on Computer: it's asking me for a code
Person with Account: are they sending me the code?
Person on Computer: your number ends with 9032?
Person with Account: yeah
Person on Computer: yeah they are sending you the code
( time passes)
Person on Computer: did you get the code?
(time passes)
Person on Computer: okay I'm having them send the code again
Person with Account: sorry, got another call -- here's the code
Person on Computer: I had them resend it, that was the old one
Person with Account: (sends screenshot with previous code)
Person on Computer: no, there should be a new one
(time passes)

sarahell, Friday, 30 October 2020 00:12 (three years ago) link

remote learning with Teams and OneNote feels like it belongs here now. It seems like the primary source of stress in my household these days.

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, 30 October 2020 00:13 (three years ago) link

OneNote worked two years ago when I used it in my last teaching job, but now that I really need it, it does not work. I spent a full class period trying to get kids to activate their OneNotes, only to find that it's too mysteriously glitchy to be worth bothering with.

Lily Dale, Friday, 30 October 2020 00:53 (three years ago) link

Teams is Microsoft’s “hey, we need a tool that competes with this one simple bit of functionality. and a tool that competes with this thing. and wouldn’t it be cool instead of just offering an alternate to Slack and Zoom, we also shoved a full-fledged document management suite in it that’s a thin wrapper over SharePoint?”

arrrrgh

mh, Friday, 30 October 2020 01:31 (three years ago) link

I have no idea how they’ve fucked OneNote, which worked fine for me a few years ago, but I suspect it also has the blood curse of SharePoint now

mh, Friday, 30 October 2020 01:31 (three years ago) link

I just call whatever Microsoft application I’m currently using DickPunch because that’s what using them feels like

shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 30 October 2020 01:34 (three years ago) link

I dare not speak the name of any product Microsoft has that seems slim and useful because they’ll overhear me and decide it needs a handful of kitchen sinks

mh, Friday, 30 October 2020 01:36 (three years ago) link

tbf Teams functions pretty well for me at work, I even kind of like the built-in wiki, but the way it’s organized with our daughter’s school apps - especially OneNote - is just a nightmare to try and navigate. And she’s the age where she’s absolutely determined to do everything independently no matter how infuriated she gets so like 90% of the time she just winds herself up into a meltdown and refuses all help.

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, 30 October 2020 01:37 (three years ago) link

We're a mostly MS Office workplace and while our Slack's been going for a while it's been mandated from on-high (as in campuswide) that we have to use Teams at some point next year. I've poked around in it -- seems useful enough for what we do that I can live with it, but obviously it's just a bit of extra randomness.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 October 2020 01:39 (three years ago) link

It actually does make all parts of an online set of meetings easier in that you can have files attached to channels and reference them directly from a video meeting in that channel

However, we’ve done that multiple times now and each time someone has to helpfully say “you have to click on the group, then the channel, then click this weirdly worded thing at the top to switch from chat to attached videos (or whatever)” and the person who says this on our non-Teams chat system gets a dozen upvotes for good content

mh, Friday, 30 October 2020 01:42 (three years ago) link

They also have a few things (notably the interface to share a file during a live video meeting) where the description text and the link to open the file are in the same typography and there’s no indication which text is a link

mh, Friday, 30 October 2020 01:43 (three years ago) link

I just call whatever Microsoft application I’m currently using DickPunch because that’s what using them feels like

I don't have a dick but although Google Sheets has vastly improved recently, DickPunch Excel makes it easier to "hide columns and rows"

sarahell, Friday, 30 October 2020 02:01 (three years ago) link

You can spend $10,000 and still not get a laptop with a keyboard that is as good as one from 20 years ago.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 30 October 2020 02:04 (three years ago) link

FWIW, on the subject of microsoft, I am very confused about the difference/overlap between Teams, OneDrive and Sharepoint. I had some staffers ask if they could share files they were prepping for me in Teams rather than OneDrive and I am unable to discern what's different except that there is a "T" symbol.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 30 October 2020 02:16 (three years ago) link

i don't mind teams since it's sort of a happy medium between email and something like skype chat for a lot of work interactions but it's funny watching things shift from "file attached to email and good luck finding it" to "file embedded in teams chat and good luck finding it"

call all destroyer, Friday, 30 October 2020 02:57 (three years ago) link

the thing that really gets me about the whole office 365 suite is that Microsoft fucking made all of it and designed all of it to work together and yet it just doesn't integrate that well.

Also, I am forever getting confused between my own files, my "team's" files, and the files a team or other person shared with me.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 30 October 2020 03:13 (three years ago) link

Only use teams for online meetings but were a big Slack company, we even made Slack shoes. The one MS program I support is ToDo which is a rebuilt Wunderlist, which was the only to do app I liked.

dan selzer, Friday, 30 October 2020 12:18 (three years ago) link

Teams is just adequate for meetings. Skype for Business was way better in my view.

And Teams's use for file storage / collaboration offers no advantage over SharePoint (because it is in fact just a front-end for SharePoint). If I am using Teams for files I just immediately open the directory in SharePoint, where I can do more of what I want to do.

So all that Teams has left to recommend it is chat rooms and wiki, which I see no real point for if you already have email and phones and such.

Can't speak to OneDrive as I never use it.

Anaïs Ninja (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 30 October 2020 12:27 (three years ago) link

I used to use a really nice web-based outlining/list making tool but I can't remember what it was now. Super minimal. You'd click a plus sign to create a new entry.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 30 October 2020 12:50 (three years ago) link

Ah found it! Workflowy - https://workflowy.com/

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 30 October 2020 13:00 (three years ago) link

> Workflowy

i hate it already

koogs, Friday, 30 October 2020 13:19 (three years ago) link

i know, i really do like it though

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 30 October 2020 13:26 (three years ago) link

lol I've finally gotten used to MS Teams and we've mostly worked out the tech kinks.

has some inferiorities to WebEx that I'll never get over but w/e

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Friday, 30 October 2020 14:30 (three years ago) link

Found Teams to be way better than Skype for Business which we were using before. I guess these things in large part depend on what you use them for. For us it's mostly chat and meetings and I find it works better than most other software for this kind of stuff.

silverfish, Friday, 30 October 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link

lol Skype for Business is a complete garbage fire of a program

mh, Friday, 30 October 2020 15:46 (three years ago) link

or known by its earlier name, Lync

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Friday, 30 October 2020 15:47 (three years ago) link

and before that, Office Communicator!

mh, Friday, 30 October 2020 15:51 (three years ago) link

did anybody use Sametime back i nthe day

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Friday, 30 October 2020 15:52 (three years ago) link

love sporadically getting “this message can’t be delivered” messages for inexplicable reasons

mh, Friday, 30 October 2020 15:52 (three years ago) link

sometimes Skype for Business would transmit my messages out of order if the server got congested

"The bathroom is overflowing on the third floor"
"Hey, do you have a moment to discuss an issue?"

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Friday, 30 October 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link

uhh it works good enough let’s just slap a revised gui on the client and change the name, no one will be the wiser

mh, Friday, 30 October 2020 15:56 (three years ago) link

yeah, for us what happened was that we were told that Skype for Business was what we were going to be using (mostly just for instant messaging, this was pre-pandemic when we did pretty much all meetings in person). A couple of weeks later, somebody figured out that we have Teams included in our Office 365 subscription and everybody just gradually switched to that.

silverfish, Friday, 30 October 2020 15:57 (three years ago) link

I definitely remember the messages out of order thing. Also that the conversation history would always be missing huge chunks of exchanges.

silverfish, Friday, 30 October 2020 16:00 (three years ago) link

yup. MS Teams is much better about that

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Friday, 30 October 2020 16:05 (three years ago) link

Ok I don't need five different ways to ask someone to give me a piece of information. Every "innovation" so far has just multiplied the ways in which something can go wrong or get missed.

1995: You called me on the phone and I either answered, or I wasn't there so you left a message.

2000: You sent me an email and I either responded, or I didn't, so you sent me another email or you called me on the phone.

2005: You sent me an email and I either did or didn't respond. Then you called me and I did or didn't answer. Then you sent me an IM that I did or didn't answer. You came over to my cubicle and we worked it out.

2010: You sent me an email, sent me a text, called, and IMed me. I either did or didn't respond to those. You walked over to my office and left a Post-it on my monitor.

2020: You sent me an email, sent me a text, called me, IMed me, put a message in the group Teams chat and on our slack channel and our Discord server. I either did or didn't respond to any of those.

All I see in this relentless chain of "progress" is the number of different ways in which I need to ignore someone before it becomes clear that I am, in fact, ignoring them.

Anaïs Ninja (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 30 October 2020 16:12 (three years ago) link

you never tried the "Fuck u and take ur needless bullshit down the hallway" reply?

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Friday, 30 October 2020 16:14 (three years ago) link


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