ForenSix Opposition - Politics in the Soon To Be Former UK in Autumn 2020

you're telling me kieth has buckled at the slightest sign of pressure ? well knock me over with a feather

That is not an accelerationism view lol

This isn't anti-racism.

This is manipulating Jewish pain and fear to fight factional battles.

We deserve so much better than this. https://t.co/SeNS2OcKQS

— jewdⒶs // ייִדהודה (@jewdas) October 29, 2020

xp it is if you view it as part of a wider left split

Working with *checks notes* Ian Austin and Margaret Hodge as part of a wider left

Corbyn's statement

Jeremy Corbyn
2 hrs ·
My statement following the publication of the EHRC report:

“Antisemitism is absolutely abhorrent, wrong and responsible for some of humanity’s greatest crimes. As Leader of the Labour Party I was always determined to eliminate all forms of racism and root out the cancer of antisemitism. I have campaigned in support of Jewish people and communities my entire life and I will continue to do so.

“The EHRC’s report shows that when I became Labour leader in 2015, the Party’s processes for handling complaints were not fit for purpose. Reform was then stalled by an obstructive party bureaucracy. But from 2018, Jennie Formby and a new NEC that supported my leadership made substantial improvements, making it much easier and swifter to remove antisemites. My team acted to speed up, not hinder the process.

“Anyone claiming there is no antisemitism in the Labour Party is wrong. Of course there is, as there is throughout society, and sometimes it is voiced by people who think of themselves as on the left.

“Jewish members of our party and the wider community were right to expect us to deal with it, and I regret that it took longer to deliver that change than it should.

“One antisemite is one too many, but the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party, as well as by much of the media. That combination hurt Jewish people and must never be repeated.

“My sincere hope is that relations with Jewish communities can be rebuilt and those fears overcome. While I do not accept all of its findings, I trust its recommendations will be swiftly implemented to help move on from this period.”

Corbyn's statement

Jeremy Corbyn
2 hrs ·
My statement following the publication of the EHRC report:

"Kieth eats big dinners."

there is literally no comment that can be made as to whether this is being used for factional purposes that won't be accused of antisemitism btw

and y'know what, because there's enough chuckleheads to go round *a bunch of them will be*

Hope everyone that first prefed Starmer is feeling proud of being taken for a mug... again.

how many do we think might quit to join Ghost Protocol Victory Alliance then

No reasonable investigation is going to determine that the statement is antisemitic - so either the process is revealed as a stitch-up from the outset or they're going to have to un-suspend him and deal with all this again.

And if they don't un-suspend him, they're going to have to kick out the Jewish Labour members agreeing with him.

This is so horrible for everyone, and it’s gonna do the square root of fuck all to prevent antisemitism, or provide any results for any other victims of other racisms in the UK.

how are you all handling this so calmly

is there gonna be a protest

EHRC report doing its job then XP lol, sure..

the report should be a big positive if dealt with appropriately, once again what this comes down to is Kieth's stupid, unnecessary reaction today. what the fuck is forensic about diving straight in?

how are you all handling this so calmly

is there gonna be a protest

antidepressant posse saddle up

has Corbyn been suspended specifically over his statement?

I reckon Starmer has acted as he has because he’s wary of being exposed to “well you campaigned for him to be PM twice”, which I’ve already seen doing the rounds today.

has Corbyn been suspended specifically over his statement?

ffs

this has ruined the World Cup of Worst Labour MPs, just to make things worse

give kieth a bye to the final

when Jeremy Corbyn eventually dies it’ll be like 3 months until we get “Corbyn’s Ghost Still Haunts Politics: Why The Labour Party Must Crush Powerless People Who Mock Me On Twitter” by Terfina Ghastly-Warrcrimes

— Philosophy Tube (@PhilosophyTube) August 10, 2020

(Also good to see poster barcode around again)

has Corbyn been suspended specifically over his statement?

Specifically over the penultimate paragraph

His insistence on making the point that the scale of the problem was exaggerated and exploited suggests to me he was expecting to be? Otherwise it's pretty naive and that's not something you can say abou-...ah wait. Brinkmanship perhaps.

Keir Starmer’s intention is to drive the Left out of the Labour Party.

Neither the EHRC report nor Corbyn’s mild response to it provide a basis for this suspension.

Solidarity with Jeremy Corbyn. They’re about to discover just how many supporters he has.

— Ronan Burtenshaw (@ronanburtenshaw) October 29, 2020

Yes, let's add to the legal fund so that Corbyn can sue lab for the bantz.

xp

there were a couple of lines i wouldn't have worded like that in his position but yes

i can't see him playing the chess to force a confrontation tbh, i just think he can't help himself

I will strongly contest the political intervention to suspend me.

I’ve made absolutely clear those who deny there has been an antisemitism problem in the Labour Party are wrong.

I will continue to support a zero tolerance policy towards all forms of racism.

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) October 29, 2020

welp here we go

if the offending part of JC’s statement is investigated, isn’t there a chance that the investigation will reveal that the statement is... true?

I mean today’s report has confirmed a lot of stuff in the leaked report so lol

seems too subjective to argue either way but idk

I'm not giving to the Corbyn fund he'll be ok! I would find it much more satisfying to start my own fund to hire some legbreakers to drag that fucking melt out of his big stupid SUV and give him a good shoein'

WHICH OBVIOUSLY NONE OF US WOULD DO IN REAL LIFE COUGH COUGH

shoein'? you've changed buddy ;)

Decision to suspend Corbyn came from HQ, not Starmer. The Corbyn statement came just moments before he went into the press conference. From everyone you speak to, there is a pervading sense of shock.

— Jessica Elgot (@jessicaelgot) October 29, 2020

Yeah the question of whether or not his statement is antisemitic is a red herring, it's not apologising, accepting the findings or taking accountability that's done it for him. Even if this was in the new leadership's plan all along (from either an ideological or realpolitik point of view) Corbyn must have seen it coming. He must have had at least some people in his inner circle calling him up and going "don't choose this hill to die on".

Starmer was avoiding the question of whether or not he'd expel Corbyn earlier today, Tory MPs started jumping on it but events then moved very quickly.

Good day to keep an eye out for any unpopular government announcements btw.

Realpolitik aside, the thing he has been suspended for, and which will set a precedent, isn't failing to take accountability, it's the idea that saying this was exploited for factional gain is inherently antisemitic.

SV otm

I don’t know if I’d have the grace to take responsibility for stuff done by my political enemies which strongly suggests they had no interest in treating the issue with the seriousness it deserved, to say the fucking least.

There are times when I think he's his own worst enemy and then you remember how many genuinely awful enemies he actually has.

how are you all handling this so calmly

is there gonna be a protest

Love Corbyn and angry at this fuckery but man, protests are for helping the many not the few, and I'm sure the man himself would agree there's plenty of more important causes to hit the streets for right now.

that is true but this really does feel like the outlawing of the left, and by extension the outlawing of taking principled stances such as protest itself. or am i crazy

a little bit maybe, it's all too soon to start going mad about a war that's been going on since the formation of the Labour Party and there's not much calm to be said about it today other than wishing Kier Starmer has a damascene conversion possibly involving steam rollers in the near future

how was calzino always right though seriously

anybody remotely left-oriented who's older than 20 should kind of know what to expect from the Labour Party

the Corbyn era, if anything, was just the hope that didn't quite kill us