ForenSix Opposition - Politics in the Soon To Be Former UK in Autumn 2020

This is so horrible for everyone, and it’s gonna do the square root of fuck all to prevent antisemitism, or provide any results for any other victims of other racisms in the UK.

how are you all handling this so calmly

is there gonna be a protest

EHRC report doing its job then XP lol, sure..

the report should be a big positive if dealt with appropriately, once again what this comes down to is Kieth's stupid, unnecessary reaction today. what the fuck is forensic about diving straight in?

how are you all handling this so calmly

is there gonna be a protest

antidepressant posse saddle up

has Corbyn been suspended specifically over his statement?

I reckon Starmer has acted as he has because he’s wary of being exposed to “well you campaigned for him to be PM twice”, which I’ve already seen doing the rounds today.

has Corbyn been suspended specifically over his statement?

ffs

this has ruined the World Cup of Worst Labour MPs, just to make things worse

give kieth a bye to the final

when Jeremy Corbyn eventually dies it’ll be like 3 months until we get “Corbyn’s Ghost Still Haunts Politics: Why The Labour Party Must Crush Powerless People Who Mock Me On Twitter” by Terfina Ghastly-Warrcrimes

— Philosophy Tube (@PhilosophyTube) August 10, 2020

(Also good to see poster barcode around again)

has Corbyn been suspended specifically over his statement?

Specifically over the penultimate paragraph

His insistence on making the point that the scale of the problem was exaggerated and exploited suggests to me he was expecting to be? Otherwise it's pretty naive and that's not something you can say abou-...ah wait. Brinkmanship perhaps.

Keir Starmer’s intention is to drive the Left out of the Labour Party.

Neither the EHRC report nor Corbyn’s mild response to it provide a basis for this suspension.

Solidarity with Jeremy Corbyn. They’re about to discover just how many supporters he has.

— Ronan Burtenshaw (@ronanburtenshaw) October 29, 2020

Yes, let's add to the legal fund so that Corbyn can sue lab for the bantz.

xp

there were a couple of lines i wouldn't have worded like that in his position but yes

i can't see him playing the chess to force a confrontation tbh, i just think he can't help himself

I will strongly contest the political intervention to suspend me.

I’ve made absolutely clear those who deny there has been an antisemitism problem in the Labour Party are wrong.

I will continue to support a zero tolerance policy towards all forms of racism.

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) October 29, 2020

welp here we go

if the offending part of JC’s statement is investigated, isn’t there a chance that the investigation will reveal that the statement is... true?

I mean today’s report has confirmed a lot of stuff in the leaked report so lol

seems too subjective to argue either way but idk

I'm not giving to the Corbyn fund he'll be ok! I would find it much more satisfying to start my own fund to hire some legbreakers to drag that fucking melt out of his big stupid SUV and give him a good shoein'

WHICH OBVIOUSLY NONE OF US WOULD DO IN REAL LIFE COUGH COUGH

shoein'? you've changed buddy ;)

Decision to suspend Corbyn came from HQ, not Starmer. The Corbyn statement came just moments before he went into the press conference. From everyone you speak to, there is a pervading sense of shock.

— Jessica Elgot (@jessicaelgot) October 29, 2020

Yeah the question of whether or not his statement is antisemitic is a red herring, it's not apologising, accepting the findings or taking accountability that's done it for him. Even if this was in the new leadership's plan all along (from either an ideological or realpolitik point of view) Corbyn must have seen it coming. He must have had at least some people in his inner circle calling him up and going "don't choose this hill to die on".

Starmer was avoiding the question of whether or not he'd expel Corbyn earlier today, Tory MPs started jumping on it but events then moved very quickly.

Good day to keep an eye out for any unpopular government announcements btw.

Realpolitik aside, the thing he has been suspended for, and which will set a precedent, isn't failing to take accountability, it's the idea that saying this was exploited for factional gain is inherently antisemitic.

SV otm

I don’t know if I’d have the grace to take responsibility for stuff done by my political enemies which strongly suggests they had no interest in treating the issue with the seriousness it deserved, to say the fucking least.

There are times when I think he's his own worst enemy and then you remember how many genuinely awful enemies he actually has.

how are you all handling this so calmly

is there gonna be a protest

Love Corbyn and angry at this fuckery but man, protests are for helping the many not the few, and I'm sure the man himself would agree there's plenty of more important causes to hit the streets for right now.

that is true but this really does feel like the outlawing of the left, and by extension the outlawing of taking principled stances such as protest itself. or am i crazy

a little bit maybe, it's all too soon to start going mad about a war that's been going on since the formation of the Labour Party and there's not much calm to be said about it today other than wishing Kier Starmer has a damascene conversion possibly involving steam rollers in the near future

how was calzino always right though seriously

anybody remotely left-oriented who's older than 20 should kind of know what to expect from the Labour Party

the Corbyn era, if anything, was just the hope that didn't quite kill us

Labour staff are being encouraged to comb social media to find members questioning the EHRC report. Many, many more suspensions could follow that of Jeremy Corbyn. pic.twitter.com/2MTq91rks5

— Michael Walker (@michaeljswalker) October 29, 2020

it's the idea that saying this was exploited for factional gain is inherently antisemitic

The problem is when you fail to differentiate between who is and is not doing the exploiting, I guess? I mean accusing Jewish people of conspiring against you to effect political change is open-and-shut antisemitism, and that is not what he is saying but his phrasing is sailing very close to the wind. I think it was Alphie who said a few years ago that he didn't quite get some of the ways in which antisemitism works into debates and today's statement suggests that he still doesn't somehow? It's hard to see who benefits from that statement and whose reputation is likely to be enhanced.

For the avoidance of doubt I'm not saying he's antisemitic but there's a self-destructive tone-deafness at play here.

Our resident unhinged Corbyn-is-a-racist (ok well, the main one) on my Charlton forum was banging on about how the mods should consider whether my posts were against regulations and worthy of a ban just now lol

Matt, I don't remotely see how his phrasing is implying that Jewish people have conspired against him? There were no 'shadowy cabals' or 'Israeli interests' in there

Nostradamus did write about a whiny voiced varlet in "a tall carriage drawn by four strong shire-horses driven by a blind driver" who would be revealed to be "a yeomen sheriff melt of the kind that some might sayeth was a whig or a tory cunte in disguise".

reading that big fuckoff Perry Mason essay helped me come to terms with how shit the Labour party always has been, even the older versions that bad historians wank over and misunderstand wilfully or stupidly. And the absolute inevitability of everything that has happened in the last year. Ah well, fuck 'em.

C+ trolling

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— Sian Berry (@sianberry) October 29, 2020

lol they've got some fucking gall with some of the eco-fascist clowns and melts in their party. Still might end up voting for them tbh

i remember arguing back during the Blair years that there really wasn't a golden age Labour Party and that even the 1945 government was a kind of historical fluke calz.

thing is, we can know all this stuff, but you never quite give up caring. i think that's *probably* good? just about? as long as you don't let the selfish melt cunts ruin you

For the avoidance of doubt I'm not saying he's antisemitic but there's a self-destructive tone-deafness at play here.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 29 October 2020 14:44 (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Its genuinely unfortunate but he's kind of a dimwit

Purges in the PLP and on LJ's Charlton forum alike, what dark days.

A split or a new party wouldn't accomplish much, but I'd really like to see mass organised abstentions from the left, starting with the Mayor and council elections next year.

ILX is within the limits of my internet comfort zone but I am absolutely astonished that anyone would want to discuss this on a football forum right now.