ForenSix Opposition - Politics in the Soon To Be Former UK in Autumn 2020

A split or a new party wouldn't accomplish much, but I'd really like to see mass organised abstentions from the left, starting with the Mayor and council elections next year.

Could you explain further? At first glance it feels like this would have the same results of creating a new party but with less leverage.

An organised abstention by Labour voters -- as opposed to a private choice by individuals, some of whom were members -- that delivered heavier defeats in the North West and London councils is a way of saying that you really can't take our votes for granted. That is way if creating leverage to me.

That it won't happen shows what we know, that there is v little in the way of militancy, but we need more of that because this won't do.

Lab will be garbage for Muslims too so why not organise abstentions with Muslim groups? Other BAME groups too.

I figure that even if it's an organized effort media would still spin it as "well the numbers aren't really about that, voters stayed home because labour is still tarnished by the Corbyn era" - and clearly the party cares more about keeping the left down than it does about winning elections.

It's not about what media do or don't say. That matters less than building an organized movement that will do things as a disciplined bloc.

As it is, a lot of good left-wing ppl are going to vote for Starmer to keep the Tories out lol because they are evil, like Donald Trump.

sounds like something a party would do

i have to say, stay and abstain sounds like warped starmerism to me

like weirdly the worst of both worlds. I don't know how you can have an organised bloc based around that. surely one thing corbyn got right was to have a vision that people felt invested in, in part because it was backed up by a policy narrative (albeit one that unravelled at the last election)

More like an organised campaign. It could come from people that organise in Trade Unions. I liked that Unite were decreasing their contributions to the party, for example.

hello user gyac and the lads. have been too busy lately mostly doing a nervous breakdown but wouldn't miss today for the world. lovely stuff so far

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It's not about what media do or don't say. That matters less than building an organized movement that will do things as a disciplined bloc.

An actual party would at least provide concrete evidence to these "good left-wing ppl" you speak of that there's another way while a gesture of abstention that can be spun a thousand ways would not.

sry to hear about yr nervy b user barcode, but we’re here for you!

Keir Starmer vs Page 27 of the EHRC Report pic.twitter.com/3l9vi9WD4E

— jewdⒶs // ייִדהודה (@jewdas) October 29, 2020

think this backs up what SV is saying about Starmer explicitly making out that what Corbyn said was denialism itself.

Best of luck to ILX User Radiator/Zebra, hope you're doing OK.

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yeah, all the best to user barcode in this difficult times

hoping you have some Smiths scampo-based snacks to hand in this difficult time

An actual party would at least provide concrete evidence to these "good left-wing ppl" you speak of that there's another way while a gesture of abstention that can be spun a thousand ways would not.

― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 29 October 2020 bookmarkflaglink

There is very little way under this system as it is and anything that's organised is more powerful than a mere gesture.

Good to see you barold, be well

Suggestions on Twitter that the Corbyn statement was pre-agreed with the LOTO office.

Absolutely seething that you gazumped me ffs.

Isn’t this what they did with RLB?

I’ve heard from a reliable chain of people that comments made at JC’s press conference were the reason and statement was OKed by LOTO.

wait, so if i've got this right: loto was consistently called on to intervene, tom watson made moves to forcefully intervene in ways that would have broken gdpr, and those interventions to expedite the complaints process are the main finding of wrongdoing by the report.

I have to say the report is suspiciously *vaguely* worded throughout: so interference is simply described as interference throughout, often in ways that implies that interference sought to obstruct rather than expedite processes. The leaked report showed examples of attempts to expedite processes in the face of a wilfully obstructive hq team, how to overcome these problems then?

Frustratingly and it seems intentionally vague is how this whole saga has been from the start.

I’m told NEC members in an ongoing meeting are asking which rule was breached by Corbyn today – the specific reason for his suspension – but gen sec David Evans not saying. (Starmer not on the call.)

— Sienna Rodgers (@siennamarla) October 29, 2020

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https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/28/england-coronavirus-covid-test-and-trace-teenagers?

What a calamity

St*rmer, how do you forensically suspend somebody from the party challenge

Nandy came out with that old nugget "anti-Semitism is a form of racism that punches up" again on PM earlier. I don't care what she was actually trying to say and it unfortunately came out wrong etc.. She's consistently a clumsy communicator and a nasty bigot, who never seems to fail to muddy the waters and end up sounding like a dumb racist tory every time she goes off-piste.

The Guardian has published a cartoon of a beheading, in which Jeremy Corbyn is portrayed as the martyr St John the Baptist [at the court of King Herod]

There are at least two big reasons to question the editorial judgement, in terms of the content and the timing (France) too.

— Sunder Katwala (@sundersays) October 29, 2020

Holy shit, that is... I mean who the hell OK'ed that one?

for fuck’s sake

Liberals xp

unbelievable

Looking forward to the whole company doing sensitivity training

it's almost like they have a very laissez faire no-standards-apply attitude when it comes to attacking an already deposed LOTO of the left.

it's amazing some far-right headcase never murdered jez. It's always easier to attack someone who is frequently on a push iron rather than the man in the hench car who is cosplaying Death Race 2000

the murdoch press has been literally goading anyone who might be inclined for years now so yeah surprising it hasn't happened already

xp I mean they did try and that guy did punch him in the head at a mosque but that was just a laugh wasn’t it

Solidarity to @jeremycorbyn, a kind, decent and truly principled man. He should be reinstated immediately.

— Zarah Sultana MP (@zarahsultana) October 29, 2020

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such risible shit U can't take it seriously of course, but even if there was another melty right-wing arsehole LOTO other than Starmer, perhaps they might have been savvy enough not stoke up an already heated factional war and just quietly ride out the news cycle, just when the Tories needed a distraction from their starving poor children policies that was putting their own party under serious pressure.

Unfortunately if you think that the ‘vile Corbyn cabal’s legacy of hate’ is an ‘exaggeration by political enemies’, you’re part of the problem.

doesn't the word cabal have antisemitic connotations

Thread on EOTHO

Today I m sharing another paper on unintended consequences of a UK policy which makes me cringe at how my tax money is spent all the while debating #FreeSchoolMeals "Subsidizing the spread of COVID-19: Evidence from the UK’s #EOHO scheme". ➡️ https://t.co/ebrSXrQ0hT a thread🧵⬇️ pic.twitter.com/mv7awXn8x6

— Thiemo Fetzer (@fetzert) October 30, 2020

The DID estimates suggest between 8-17% of all detected #COVID19 infections were due to the #EOHO scheme seeding the 2nd wave across the country

You will probably have missed it in the furore today, but the Joint Committee on Human Rights issued an absolutely *damning* report into the bill today. It would leave the UK in breach of international human rights commitments over a fictitious problem. https://t.co/SK0x7llRPZ

— James B (@piercepenniless) October 29, 2020

A good day to bury bad news, evidently.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sars-nigeria-police-protests-uk-government-training-equipment-b1424447.html

We know the government export arms to Yemen already. Doesn't matter, just jobs jobs jobs.

the Tories must have breathed a sigh of relief at this morning's papers. Just as the free school meals campaign was hitting home, Starmer turns his guns on the left https://t.co/jt1p7OfdjJ

— tom (@malaiseforever) October 30, 2020

just as he was getting away with his milquetoast constructive opposition thanks to the work of a man Utd striker, the abysmal cunt scores an own goal