ForenSix Opposition - Politics in the Soon To Be Former UK in Autumn 2020

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"delaying your university education by a year is a lot less damaging than further delaying school education at a crucial point in development."

If schools are a vector of transmission there should be more of a strategy around this. Attended a Lab union call and someone from the teaching unions was saying how many schools in a lot of places are partially shutting due to covid outbreaks and the extent of it has been underreported.

If the government gave a fuck about child development a programme could've been developed to mitigate against impacts. Maybe you could have children going once or twice a week? It requires planning and work, which isn't on the menu with these people in charge xps

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 31 October 2020 10:58 (three years ago) link

yeah i mean

plax (ico), Saturday, 31 October 2020 11:02 (three years ago) link

Not sure going once or twice a week would make much difference given it only takes a short time to transmit the virus, and schools necessarily involve the same people seeing each other every day anyway.

Matt DC, Saturday, 31 October 2020 11:12 (three years ago) link

let’s be honest, the reason they want to keep a schools open is so that parents won’t have an excuse to stay at home and avoid putting their lives on the line to keep the economy from asphyxiating entirely

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 31 October 2020 11:15 (three years ago) link

my son's transport escort had to do two weeks of self-isolation when someone she worked with tested positive, yet when she told the school her kids attend they said: no biggie, they don't need to self-isolate as well. I don't know if she has got it wrong or that is how ridic the rules are.

calzino, Saturday, 31 October 2020 11:21 (three years ago) link

my daughter's a TA at a special school and nah they seem to be pretty fast and loose with the bubbles

big man on scampus (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 31 October 2020 11:22 (three years ago) link

my feeling is that head teachers view closure as a failure - that they didn’t do enough, that students didn’t adhere to policy etc - so they will bend whatever roles they can in order to stay open

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 31 October 2020 11:27 (three years ago) link

rules

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 31 October 2020 11:27 (three years ago) link

I have loads of friends working on special schools and they have told me some pretty insane stories throughout

plax (ico), Saturday, 31 October 2020 11:28 (three years ago) link

Not sure going once or twice a week would make much difference given it only takes a short time to transmit the virus, and schools necessarily involve the same people seeing each other every day anyway.

― Matt DC, Saturday, 31 October 2020 bookmarkflaglink

From my understanding of what the union rep was saying it could be more of a rota where so many kids go in on a day for set hours.

Anyway, what struck me is that none of this was ever worked through.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 31 October 2020 11:31 (three years ago) link

this is a crass generalisation but in my experience a lot of headteachers are real dicks

big man on scampus (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 31 October 2020 11:40 (three years ago) link

There seemed to be about 5000 art students wandering around Camberwell yesterday. They were mostly wearing masks but still in the usual gormless pavement-blocking throngs

It was the first time since about April that I'd felt the "oh no, people are within 2 metres of me" nervousness that had otherwise faded away from becoming jaded and going to the office a lot

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Saturday, 31 October 2020 11:45 (three years ago) link

I can’t find the cite now but there was a study showing the most you g kids were catching it from adults, not the other way around. Primary schools seem safe to keep open they said, much less clear about secondary and up.

stet, Saturday, 31 October 2020 14:33 (three years ago) link

real déjà vu the last weeks hearing about how we’re on a similar trajectory to France, hmmm it’s getting p bad in France, looks like France is heading for lockdown, hey maybe we should do something to get ahead of this... lads? Anything?


This x100. We now know we basically have a crystal ball for what’s coming to us but this govt incapable of accepting the equivalence (for obvious reasons I guess).

Remembering now their sneery tone about how “France did everything wrong” exactly a fortnight before they did almost precisely the same thing. That might have been defensible once on “UK is very different for all these ~reasons~ so small, many flights” grounds but second time round it isn’t at all.

stet, Saturday, 31 October 2020 14:40 (three years ago) link

The one thing that will absolutely not happen is Westminster acknowledging that there's anything to be learned from foreigners.

xxp Yeah, Edinburgh is not a relaxing place to be walking around now.

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 31 October 2020 14:57 (three years ago) link

The timing of the lockdown is driven by NHS capacity more than anything else, isn’t it? They’re just going to keep going in and out of lockdown when it looks like hospitals aren’t going to be able to cope with the numbers.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Saturday, 31 October 2020 15:25 (three years ago) link

Well yeah, and that’s obviously one key factor (but not the only one) but it would be nice to feel they were being proactive rather than purely reactive in that regard, because it honestly feels like virus brinkmanship atm

Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Saturday, 31 October 2020 15:32 (three years ago) link

And it’s more damaging to their beloved economy to leave it this late every time.

stet, Saturday, 31 October 2020 15:34 (three years ago) link

Pesto with the details:

These are the measures to be announced by the PM at 5, as I understand it. They will last 2 December. And they are, In effect, a new “Tier 4” that will be imposed for a month initially to the whole of England. 1) All pubs and restaurants to close, though takeaways...

— Robert Peston (@Peston) October 31, 2020

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Saturday, 31 October 2020 15:49 (three years ago) link

what a shambles

||||||||, Saturday, 31 October 2020 15:53 (three years ago) link

Would it really have been too much to ask for *some* sort of planning to be in place - pilot schemes of rota systems, year group breaks, remote-teaching guidance - as opposed to this shitshow of leaving it up to individual head-teachers to sort out? If the fuckwits hadn't removed all aspects of coursework, in the guise of making exams more 'rigorous', we'd be in a much better position for next May/June, but as it stands, we're looking at a Y11 cohort that hasn't sat a single exam, and for whom we have barely any academic data from which to extrapolate (invent) exam results.

As it stands, my union (NEU) is proposing a total closure of schools and colleges, with a move into a rota system post-Dec 2nd. I'm conflicted because at a national level, I don't think it's fair to stay open and, given the state of us all at the end of last term, remotely sustainable in terms of physical and mental health (on top of anything rona-related). But, at a student level, the knock-on effects academically are vast - particularly for Y10&11 - and the impact on mental health is unknowable, but as a parent I can safely say, all things being equal (yes, I know) it's better for kids to be in school. Also, I don't want to go back to teaching remotely because it's bollocks.

All that said,

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 31 October 2020 16:11 (three years ago) link

Hastily rearranged post leaves mysterious rhetorical flourish that leads nowhere...

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 31 October 2020 16:14 (three years ago) link

I still have friends in #Spoons. All of the employees have just received comms regarding the impending lockdown.
This is a clause in something they are being told to sign.
Fuck Tim Martin pic.twitter.com/fqjwHfJO50

— Wee Mowgz (@mowgzilla1) October 30, 2020

plax (ico), Saturday, 31 October 2020 16:34 (three years ago) link

What a cunt.

And look at this shit.

"5) Travel within the UK will be discouraged, except for work. 6) Overnight stays away from home will be allowed only for work purposes..."

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 31 October 2020 16:43 (three years ago) link

evil

Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Saturday, 31 October 2020 16:43 (three years ago) link

Fuck Spoons and especially fuck Tim Martin.

Press conference cancelled, can’t wait for cartoon avi stupid journalist to fart out some more leaks.

liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Saturday, 31 October 2020 16:57 (three years ago) link

Press conference delayed to 6.30! I'm sure they're thrashing out some last-minute details regarding furlough though so all's well.

logout option: disabled (Matt #2), Saturday, 31 October 2020 16:59 (three years ago) link

too busy watching the rugby no doubt

||||||||, Saturday, 31 October 2020 17:11 (three years ago) link

This is gonna fuck with Strictly, that should lose them a few votes

big man on scampus (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 31 October 2020 17:18 (three years ago) link

Liverpool local authorities were already improving before tier 3 was introduced and generally increasingly so since then. pic.twitter.com/3LZIOKWZdE

— Richard 📊📉 (@RP131) October 31, 2020

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 31 October 2020 17:44 (three years ago) link

I found this useful:

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-28/a-room-a-bar-and-a-class-how-the-coronavirus-is-spread-through-the-air.html

Not sure it's the best thread for it.

Anyway, amused by a Peston Tweet that the government doesn't want the new "lockdown" to be called a "lockdown" but "tougher national measures."

djh, Saturday, 31 October 2020 17:45 (three years ago) link

This is hilarious:

Message being sent to MPs this afternoon - clearly written with one eye on the fact it'll be made public pic.twitter.com/i9dpnPVDGA

— CatNeilan (@CatNeilan) October 31, 2020

So sorry you heard about the lockdown through the press, we are tracking down the culprit who will also be blamed for us leaking all the details to Peston in about six hours’ time,

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Saturday, 31 October 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link

Best Boris

Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Saturday, 31 October 2020 18:09 (three years ago) link

The other Borises (Borii) were busy (drunk)

here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Saturday, 31 October 2020 18:11 (three years ago) link

best beloved boris

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 31 October 2020 18:31 (three years ago) link

lol

Yet another delay (till 6.45 apparently) gives time for tonight’s puzzle. Complete the following sentence “When I said a national lockdown was a terrible idea what I really meant was ....”

— Nick Robinson (@bbcnickrobinson) October 31, 2020

liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Saturday, 31 October 2020 18:39 (three years ago) link

(At delay, not Nick Robinson. Cunt.)

liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Saturday, 31 October 2020 18:39 (three years ago) link

(l-r) the uk government, strictly come dancing

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-16-2015/ceZHZD.gif

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 31 October 2020 18:43 (three years ago) link

I've been corrected by another Tory MP who says volcanic isn't strong enough, "it's more like nuclear" https://t.co/LxLSwbJYvn

— Jim Pickard (@PickardJE) October 31, 2020

I’d love to see that WhatsApp group now

liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Saturday, 31 October 2020 18:44 (three years ago) link

Strictly is still on, it's Celeb Mastermind they've canned.

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Saturday, 31 October 2020 18:44 (three years ago) link

srsly tho if you want to seem confident, competent and capable right before plunging the nation into further weeks of chaos this is absolutely the way to go about it

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 31 October 2020 18:45 (three years ago) link

lol this is such a mess, they’re filling air by talking about tweets about lockdown

liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Saturday, 31 October 2020 18:46 (three years ago) link

My battery is on 3%, will it survive this presser and my frantic posting? My sources are doubtful

liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Saturday, 31 October 2020 18:46 (three years ago) link

Nice brown and yellow map, appropriate

liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Saturday, 31 October 2020 18:51 (three years ago) link

Darker colour = 'more of whatever is being measured' is the exact opposite of how the scale of a heatmap is supposed to work.

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Saturday, 31 October 2020 18:54 (three years ago) link

good luck, UK england

||||||||, Saturday, 31 October 2020 18:57 (three years ago) link

I’m not an epidemiologist but idk, this seems bad.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Saturday, 31 October 2020 18:59 (three years ago) link

Worst case scenario was 6000 deaths a day, if I read that right.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Saturday, 31 October 2020 19:05 (three years ago) link

Lol he must be shitting it, he’s talking about triage

liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Saturday, 31 October 2020 19:05 (three years ago) link

Furlough extended to Dec.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Saturday, 31 October 2020 19:09 (three years ago) link


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