Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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plz find other kinds of bees:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Toynbee#Toynbee_genealogy

mark s, Monday, 16 November 2020 21:54 (three years ago) link

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Sad to say indulgence of TERFism runs deep at the Guardian, and with a fully predictable cast list pic.twitter.com/PHwnidkL1a

— Simon (@simonk_133) November 16, 2020

xyzzzz__, Monday, 16 November 2020 22:20 (three years ago) link

it's what you'd expect and more likely about cronyism and centrist wagon-circling than simple antitrans solidarity. but it's a terrible look for the Graun when so many of its "star" writers consistently behave like this.

big man on scampus (Noodle Vague), Monday, 16 November 2020 22:27 (three years ago) link

but also this

I can't remember this solidarity for Dawn Foster when she got let go for writing an article critical of Tom Watson

— Fred Durst Apologist (@DurstApologist) November 16, 2020

big man on scampus (Noodle Vague), Monday, 16 November 2020 22:29 (three years ago) link

sack them all and hire 👇

I’m sorry for the three trans employees who quit The Guardian in the last eighteen months because of the rhetoric being promoted by the paper. To be made to feel unwelcome at work not because of what you believe but because of who you fundamentally are, that’s the real travesty.

— shon faye. (@shonfaye) November 16, 2020

xyzzzz__, Monday, 16 November 2020 22:30 (three years ago) link

Is (Fleet Street) journalism the last profession where you can walk out of a job one day and get another job the next? And how does that work when no-one reads newspapers anymore?

Boring blighters bloaters (Tom D.), Monday, 16 November 2020 22:38 (three years ago) link

Other professions where your talents and cv are no impediment from skipping from job to job are politics, football management and company directorships

big man on scampus (Noodle Vague), Monday, 16 November 2020 22:41 (three years ago) link

Yes, but some football managers have to wait for the next job and some never find the next job, these fuckers are never out of work.

Boring blighters bloaters (Tom D.), Monday, 16 November 2020 22:46 (three years ago) link

id love a browser extension that filters comment and opinion pieces out. the reporting in the graun is bad enough but its the way the site constantly redirects you to think pieces by people who have never exhibited a capacity to do so that really pushes me over the edge.

plax (ico), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 09:10 (three years ago) link

"If Keir Starmer sticks to his principles, Labour will vote against a Brexit deal"

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 09:12 (three years ago) link

The app is very good for creating your own guardian bubble. I never see any opinion and mostly read news, food and Blind Date (I can’t tear myself away from that I’m afraid).

For me, the Guardian is better than it used to be!

Madchen, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 09:22 (three years ago) link

yeah actually i’ve thought this for a while and never done anything about it. your post has prompted me to go and remove a load of sections and also add world news categories for countries and continents.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 09:34 (three years ago) link

xp I also read Blind Date purely so I can then read the Guyliner writeup.

I have a content blocker on Safari for ads etc and it works very well on those Guardian begging messages.

scampus fugit (gyac), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 09:38 (three years ago) link

lol i enjoy the begging messages! i'm like keep begging terfs lol

plax (ico), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 09:45 (three years ago) link

Blind Date is good, largely due to the Guyliner (xp gyac OTM!)

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 09:50 (three years ago) link

Crosswords, Letters and Country Diary here.

mahb, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 10:54 (three years ago) link

I stopped buying the graun about a decade ago, but if I had a portable device with a kakuro app on it back then I'd have fucked them off much sooner.

calzino, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 10:58 (three years ago) link

xp - I often just go straight to the Guyliner.

hamicle, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 11:18 (three years ago) link

I was going to complain about "Harry Styles wore a dress on the cover of Vogue – and US rightwingers lost it" inanity, but then they've slightly redeemed themselves by covering a very valuable topic (to me as a downstairs resident)
"Quiet please! How to exercise in an upstairs flat – without annoying your neighbours"

Luna Schlosser, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 13:31 (three years ago) link

ilx faves weigh in:

The demonisation of @suzanne_moore by 300 fellow @guardian journalists causing her to leave her job is disturbing. Identity politics is the curse of the modern left. Gifting the right with each 'woke' witch hunt. Difference of opinion is crucial for adult 'political' discourse.

— Primal Scream (@ScreamOfficial) November 17, 2020

Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link

can't believe Bobby's politics are stuck in an imaginary 1980s

big man on scampus (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 15:40 (three years ago) link

just needed "snowflakes" for a bingo

big man on scampus (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link

also i'm pretty sure the 300+ employees who complained about Moore's work making them feel harassed and unwelcome weren't mostly journalists but y'know, drugs

big man on scampus (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 15:44 (three years ago) link

Methinks Bobby and his band have a few skeletons waiting to come out of their collective cupboard.

Boring blighters bloaters (Tom D.), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 15:47 (three years ago) link

Boab's a bit like trevor phillips in a way - a right-wing reactionary blue labour bigot who thinks because they went through a radical lefty spell in the 80's it excuses all sorts of reactionary tory bullshit attitudes they have. And he's probably getting the same fear Nick Cave was getting a few months back, because he probably knows he's done enough to get me-tooed or even put on the sex-offenders register!

calzino, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link

https://guardian.gyford.com/ is handy if you just want to read today’s paper. The opinion section is in there but it’s all siloed off in one section.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 16:02 (three years ago) link

siloed is le mot juste

big man on scampus (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 16:04 (three years ago) link

xp excellent link thank u

plax (ico), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 17:44 (three years ago) link

far less hideous to look at as well

plax (ico), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 17:44 (three years ago) link

*Such* an great piece. Superb in so many ways. Not the main point, perhaps, but I don't think anyone can drop an immaculately crafted gag (and there are several) into otherwise serious journalism quite like @helenlewis https://t.co/d9K2ty12zg

— Tom Peck (@tompeck) November 16, 2020

HL retweets high praise of her article about why women should be allowed more access to aristocratic titles.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 13:42 (three years ago) link

It has taken me a while to come to understand what a terrible person HL really is.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 13:43 (three years ago) link

oh god that article which i didn't read tbf despite HL saying she thoroughly addresses any concerns you might have within it, but the whole premise of that article at least, is one of the biggest pisstakes I've ever seen!

calzino, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 14:17 (three years ago) link

I thought it was a very interesting article, describing a curious and bizarre world that I’ve not previously had sight of. I somehow missed the well-crafted gags though.

Luna Schlosser, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link

alright Helen, I knew you were lurking here somewhere!

calzino, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 15:42 (three years ago) link

You’ll notice HLew didn’t miss a chance to crowbar her pet subject in there.

scampus fugit (gyac), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 15:55 (three years ago) link

always good to mix a bit terfery with class-baiting I presume?

calzino, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 15:58 (three years ago) link

anyways I can't understand anyone who wouldn't want HL fired from a trebuchet into oblivion, everything about her is rank. Although at least she has fucked off to the US for now, just need to get that passport revoked and they can fucking keep her!

calzino, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 16:05 (three years ago) link

"I can't understand anyone who wouldn't want HL fired from a trebuchet into oblivion"

That makes me laugh out loud! :D

the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 16:55 (three years ago) link

There isn't any TERFery that I could see, she just mentions that the GRA has a clause in that says inheriting a title is the an area with a specific exception - you can't change your position in line by changing your gender.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link

Look Andrew, as much as I love you doing your usual thing to jump into a thread to defend a woman no matter what a bad person she is, you’re still wrong here: she actually can’t resist going wELl YoU cAnT iNhErIt PrOpErTy BuT yOu CaN bE nOnBiNaRy because of course she does.

scampus fugit (gyac), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 17:50 (three years ago) link

idg what is so singularly alluring abt helen lewis 2 u?

plax (ico), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 17:58 (three years ago) link

lol.

also, helen lewis is just fucking awful.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link

If lockdown has tipped you into problem drinking, you're probably not alone

it's definitely statistically unlikely that only one person reading this has started problem drinking, and that person is you.

the 120 days of sod it (ledge), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 21:37 (three years ago) link

I'm not aware I'm defending her, I'm just pointing out that there's nothing TERFy there - but there doesn't have to be, if we just meditate on her badness long enough.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 21:44 (three years ago) link

You did it again! Should start keeping a log.

scampus fugit (gyac), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:28 (three years ago) link

Can you explain to me, then, why she manages to shoehorn in a bizarre, unnecessary, out of context reference to nonbinary people, in the midst of an article that otherwise has absolutely nothing to do with nonbinary people at all? Can you provide any context or meaning for that bizarre insertion, other than to make the recognition of nonbinary gender look strange, unnecessary or otherwise opposed to the putative rights of the cis women in the piece?

I mean, I cannot believe I had to read this PoS article to affirm that yes, it is weirdly obsessed with the existence of nonbinary people.

I agree, there is nothing *radical* about this article at all, in fact I’m struggling to see her portray it as even remotely feminist. But trans exclusionary? Yes, she definite drops a reference to nonbinary people in there for no other reason than to ride her hobbyhorse about how our rights and existence are... a weird joke to her?

Branwell with an N, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:36 (three years ago) link

The context seemed to me to be that the article talks about gender and 'modern times' - the passage starts It reveals a country trapped between tradition and modernity, between the Middle Ages and the 21st century.

If you're talking about signifiers of modern attitudes to gender, trans rights and non-binary rights seem like a fairly obvious hook?

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 23:10 (three years ago) link

with the context that helen lewis is thoroughly opposed to trans rights and one of the most prominent british transphobes, that section happens to come across a little differently! without that context i'd think wondering 'how many lords are nonbinary' etc. would just be a strange aside and i wouldn't think that much of it but considering she's an obsessive transphobe who no doubt considers the concept of nonbinary genders ridiculous, everyone else's reaction of "ffs helen you can't even write a stupid article about how the aristocracy needs to be less sexist in its rules without mentioning your pet issue" is very reasonable

ufo, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 23:34 (three years ago) link

A recently unearthed Suzanne Moore classic:

https://twitter.com/myblacklife23/status
/1329228698113990657?s=19

Goodbye England's rose or whatever I guess

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Thursday, 19 November 2020 09:47 (three years ago) link

My friend just reminded me of this absolute stinker from S**anne M**re pic.twitter.com/DuJbf2kbSI

— Madame Guillotine (@myblacklife23) November 19, 2020

Goes nicely with this column.

Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 19 November 2020 10:21 (three years ago) link


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