Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

Does he own an Enya CD y/n

Fun fact: his name was originally J. O'Biden

pretty sure you're not allowed to be President unless you're American, someone should let Trump know the election is invalid

Who’s more American, the Teutonic Scot or the Irishman?

The moment when @NickBryantNY asked @JoeBiden for a quick word.

He replied with a smile, “The BBC? I’m Irish.” #PresidentElect #Election2020 pic.twitter.com/gjsLCxmlLq

— Darran Marshall (@DarranMarshall) November 7, 2020

guys have you heard? joe biden is irish

pretty kewl

love identities they are so human

― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, November 19, 2020 6:29 AM (fourteen minutes ago)

I don't know if you've met white Americans, but I regret to inform you that Joseph Biden Jr. is not the first of them to assume that having an ancestor born in Country X ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY YEARS AGO, who migrated to the US at age ten, confers upon them both ethnicity and citizenship of X.

to be fair to Biden, that was only one hundred and two years before he was born, so it feels more recent to him

I mean, it truly is insane to think that electing a Catholic to the presidency was 'radical' 60 years ago, or that my grandmother never liked her daughter-in-law (my mom) because she came from an immigrant Polish Catholic family. But that's the reality that a lot of these old people grew up in, and sadly, it seems to be the one that they still live in.

pretty common for people of joe biden's age to have grown up in areas where there were still delineated immigrant communities/areas. he probably did attend the "irish" catholic schools and church. i'm sure saying "i'm irish" can actually be traced back to something real in his experience. it probably means nothing to most people younger than 55 now. in this context, "i'm irish" was a joke. i'll grant you that it's definitely a joke for old ass americans.

Scranton-on-Shannon

My mother-in-law comes from a Polish neighborhood in Oil City Pa.. Most people of her grandparents' generation died in Poland; most people of her parents' generation were born in Poland and spoke only Polish. Most people of her generation were bilingual, and interpreted for their parents as necessary. They went to different schools from their English-speaking peers, shopped in different stores, and got Polish-language newspapers.

There are shop signs in that neighborhood that are still in Polish (as there are still in, for example, Greenpoint, Brooklyn.)

I won't necessarily say that's the same thing as Biden's jokey aside, but we sometimes forget how entrenched immigrant identities are in some ostensibly American communities.

I mean, it truly is insane to think that electing a Catholic to the presidency was 'radical' 60 years ago

It kind of still is, no? Considering that one was the first, and was killed, and Biden is the first since, making a total of 2 from 46 in over two centuries. Black men have held office for three times longer than Catholics.

Rum, Romanism, and Red Socks.

in support of this amazing moment for catholics #coexist

xp. I mean Biden actually played up the "I'm Irish, I'm a catholic" stuff because it would make him more appealing (to catholic whites, the majority of whom vote republican) while jfk had to say "I am not the catholic candidate for presidency" so it's not really the same situation

but "I'm not Catholic" was a much big seller for (checks) every president ever. White American voters not trusting Rome is a long standing tradition.

having any religion should be a disqualifier for high office tbf

Even papacy?

having any religion should be a disqualifier for high office tbf

― @oneposter (💹) (sic), Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:29 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

ok, bill

new rules duh duh duh duh

Also, 7 of 9 Supreme Court justices, thanks in part to Leonard Leo of Opus Dei.

correct me if i'm off base here but catholic used to code strongly as non-white (hand-in-hand with irish and italian descent) but .. somehow i don't think it does anymore *cough* kavanaugh *cough*

My mother-in-law comes from a Polish neighborhood in Oil City Pa.. Most people of her grandparents' generation died in Poland; most people of her parents' generation were born in Poland and spoke only Polish. Most people of her generation were bilingual, and interpreted for their parents as necessary. They went to different schools from their English-speaking peers, shopped in different stores, and got Polish-language newspapers.

There are shop signs in that neighborhood that are still in Polish (as there are still in, for example, Greenpoint, Brooklyn.)

I won't necessarily say that's the same thing as Biden's jokey aside, but we sometimes forget how entrenched immigrant identities are in some ostensibly American communities.

There are stores with signs in Polish one town over from where I live in NJ.

My grandfather once told me a story about the town in Wisconsin where his father grew up; a man from what was then Czechoslovakia moved to town and learned to speak the local language from his neighbors — he thought he was learning English, but he learned Swedish.

but "I'm not Catholic" was a much big seller for (checks) every president ever. White American voters not trusting Rome is a long standing tradition.

― Clean-up on ILX (onimo), Wednesday, November 18, 2020 1:23 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

more people didn't vote for Biden because part of the global cabal and he's a paedo who eats children than because he's a papist

correct me if i'm off base here but catholic used to code strongly as non-white (hand-in-hand with irish and italian descent)

This is so. Italian-Americans read as white now, but didn't necessarily read as white 100 years ago.

Which is not to say their experience was the same as Black or indigenous people, just sayin.

ok, bill

(...Clinton? search results say he was officially condemned by "his church" of Southern Baptists, but also that he attended a Methodist church while president, and I'm choosing to not click through so I can assume he was condemned for the latter and not for being a great big genial sex creep)

I cleared it up with the next post

by all accounts anti-irish and anti-italian prejudice was really bad. but people of irish and italian descent in this country have done a lot of work to rehabilitate their reputation as some of the staunchest supporters of white supremacy we have, so #cryingeagle

No argument there, map

Climb the ladder then pull it up after you

Maybe toss down some vats of boiling oil just for good measure

if the ladder wasn't constantly pulled on someone else, no one would need to climb any ladders

I cleared it up with the next post

I guessed maybe you were singing some ...punk? right-wing? song from the blowjob impeachment era '90s; searching "new rules" + clinton gets the NYT in January 2020 saying "McConnell Impeachment Rules Modify Clinton Precedent," which kinda corresponds, but has nothing to do with religion

in conclusion, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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*hurls*

I missed the bus

@sic:

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I can still speak a little Polish with people in Greenpoint, so I get that old-world white, particularly Catholic immigrant communities are baked into certain geographic areas to an extent.

If anything I was trying to point out that this sort of solidarity was insane 60 years ago, and seems even more insane and outdated now.

In other words, I understand the historical context pretty well. That doesn't mean it isn't objectively crazy, or that people still carrying a torch for it are outdated loons.

No disagreement, table. Just sayin it's not all cosplay like a burn dad wearing a kilt and saying he's from Clan Wallace or whatever.

*Burb dad

Nothing has convinced me how American I am more than spending some time in other countries. My essential Americanness becomes glaringly obvious against the backdrop of other places. However, I felt more at ease and 'at home' in Ireland than other countries. So, there is a certain amount of continuity of temperament and residual attitude that can persist in families over more than a century after emigration.

Sure, totally get it. I mean, most of my mom's side of the family still lives in Port Richmond, which is still a very Polish Catholic neighborhood in Philly. I go and get some babkas and nalesniki z serem most Christmas times.

Interesting thing about that, tho: as the Mexican and Central American population in the city has continued to grow, those communities have started moving into the older working class white Catholic communities. I can get a babka and then go a block or two and get very good tacos. And a few more blocks, heroin!

Gentrification is when the tacos cost more than the heroin

@sic:

speaking of big giant sex creeps

Kensington is already plenty gentrified, tbph.

classic Kensington

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