outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

There's over 5 billion in less developed nations who would be thrilled by a 70% effective vaccine that doesn't require extraordinary measures for distributi9on. Almost no dose of the AstraZenica/Oxford vaccine will go wasted.

The most interesting thing about the mRNA vaccines is they took a couple of days to design, many months to ramp production to scale. The fact that they worked is a epochal event. Once that mRNA vaccine manufacturing infrastructure is in place, there's no reason not to try vaccines against numerous nuisance infectious diseases or chronic diseases perpetuated by unfortunate signaling cascades. By 2030, I expect we'll see two dozen mRNA vaccines against both emerging infectious diseases and against dysregulated endogenous signaling. The past month has probably been like Christmas to experimental endocrinologists.

LOL yes. Boris, Matt Hancock and the rest of these clowns haven't exactly covered themselves in glory so far.

i think the latter are handicapped by the former.

3 examples off the top of my head:

100,000 test target met by putting 40k tests in the post hours before the deadline. (and those 100k tests didn't cover 100k people like they originally promised. my theory is that they counted each nostril separately)
https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-100k-tests/

20 tonnes of ppe 'on its way' from turkey despite not being ordered yet. none of it met standards, none was used.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/22/delayed-plane-carrying-ppe-from-turkey-lands-in-uk-coronavirus
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/all-400000-gowns-flown-from-turkey-for-nhs-fail-uk-standards

track and trace and ppe contracts given without contest to large tory donors.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/09/uk-government-fails-to-publish-details-of-4bn-covid-contracts-with-private-firms

forgot an obvious one - the chaos around testing - non-availability and long delays

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain/amid-covid-testing-chaos-uk-says-were-trying-to-fix-it-idUKKBN2670PB

OTM. The politicians are lazy, incompetent and corrupt, they are in charge. The public health officials and civil servants are underfunded, undermined and demoralized, they take their orders from the politicians.

Real “transport in London is shit” stuff here.

Yes, don't listen to us, we've only got a higher death rate than the US, we've got nothing to worry about.

weird ruler to be measuring one's dick by

I don't think you get the nuance behind that “transport in London is shit” crack.

yes it was so hard to parse

So you parsed it was a shitty snide remark to make?

All because the poster had his nose out of joint for being pulled up on a stupid post they'd made?

I think getting into a "we're going fuck this up worse than you will" pissing match is incredibly fucking dumb for everyone involved

like congrats, the end result is that more of all of us die: you win

Only one person was doing that, that I can see.

Then... open your eyes

You're both arguing about how much worse everything is where you are than it is where the other one is and there's literally no point to it.

No we're not. koogs and I would never claim that things were worse in the UK, in terms of health provision, we were only countering the idea that everything was hunky dory over here and it'll be a breeze handing out vaccines to all and sundry, like candy. koogs gave a whole shopping list of reasons why this was an overly rose-tinted view of the UK. That's all.

caek coming back with that 'transport in london is shit' jibe was below the belt

League table of shitty national pandemic responses:
1. US
2. Brazil
3. Mexico
4. UK
5. Belgium, apparently

Certain outliers like Russia and Iran lack robust data for inclusion here.

we were only countering the idea that everything was hunky dory over here and it'll be a breeze handing out vaccines to all and sundry

Forget it. I'll keep out of this thread in future. Another one out of bounds.

> koogs and I would never claim that things were worse in the UK

i might! the death tolls in the uk were like 3rd worst in the world, by population, at one point (and we are still 5th, after belgium, peru, spain, italy)

those things i posted and probably 10 times more would be proper scandals in other years and contributes to the 400+ deaths a day we are currently seeing. but i know they don't make international news and so foreigners might be unaware.

I've been either looking at the Worldometer Coronavirus page (sorted by deaths/1M) or @KagroX's daily top 10 thread daily since May, like some kind of macabre sports rankings. Only SE Asia, Oceania, and in Europe, Scandanavia ex-Sweden, the Baltics, Greece and Germany have been doing well at all. Everywhere else is either a shitshow, or (in the case of most of Subaharan Africa) probably doesn't have reliable stats.

https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2020/11/california-edd-fraud-claims-inmates/

Bloomberg: Astra Vaccine’s 90% Efficacy in Covid Came in Younger Group

The dose of AstraZeneca Plc’s Covid vaccine that showed the highest level of effectiveness was tested in a younger population than a bigger dose that showed less efficacy, according to the head of the U.S. Operation Warp Speed program.

The vaccine being developed with Oxford University was 90% effective when a half-dose was given before a full-dose booster, the partners said on Monday. However, that regime was administered to participants in a group whose age was capped at 55, Warp Speed’s Moncef Slaoui said Tuesday in a phone call with reporters.

Researchers have been puzzling about the AstraZeneca report since it was released, wondering why a smaller dose of the vaccine might have appeared to be more effective than a larger one. Most of the people in the trial received a placebo or the regimen of two full doses, which was 62% effective. That group included people who were older than 55, Slaoui said.

jfc

Britain’s best brains are on it 🇬🇧

Oops.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/25/culled-mink-rise-from-the-dead-denmark-coronavirus

mmmm delicious

astra zentake-a minute to check your work willya??

lol

astra not-zen eca

disastrazeneca

Re the UK, was startled to read that at least one testing site required you to go along and then ineptly do the nasal swab ON YOURSELF while a soldier watched from behind a protective window. The person who did this was understandably not confident when they got a negative test result.
https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2020/november/in-liverpool

JFC that is insane

I think that's par for the course (apart from the soldier) I went for a test (literally at the end of my street!) and I had to do it myself.

I assume it's the same at every testing centre in the UK.

The site was being run by a bunch of enthusiastic young people who looked like they'd just be plucked off the local streets.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/business/coronavirus-vaccine-astrazeneca-oxford.html

what a mess

I don't think any of this is getting reported in the UK btw, certainly not on the BBC, the Tories have put all their eggs in the Astra-Zeneca basket and it's being portrayed everywhere as a great triumph for British science and ingenuity.

Basking in the results on Monday, Mr. Johnson said the vaccine “has the makings of a wonderful British scientific achievement.”

haha

like Brexit, and the Garden Bridge, and, and,

I think that's par for the course (apart from the soldier) I went for a test (literally at the end of my street!) and I had to do it myself.

― ILXceptionalism (Tom D.), Wednesday, November 25, 2020 11:15 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I assume it's the same at every testing centre in the UK.

― ILXceptionalism (Tom D.), Wednesday, November 25, 2020 11:15 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

The site was being run by a bunch of enthusiastic young people who looked like they'd just be plucked off the local streets.

― ILXceptionalism (Tom D.), Wednesday, November 25, 2020 11:20 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

We had an option for them to do the test on us the first time we got tested - they did the test on me and my partner and then we tested our 6yo daughter. My partner got tested again a few weeks back and had to administer the test herself - she was going to care for her dad, who was having an operation - and was definitely anxious that she hadn't administered the test properly and would get a false-negative.

LOL misread that as your 6yo daughter had to administer the test herself. Nothing would surprise me tbh.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnvK99kXUAAvEJM?format=jpg&name=medium

good morning

Now we've got mink zombies to deal with.

i believe you’ll find they prefer the term “nosfurrati”