Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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You are quite old fashioned aren't you Koogs? (not meant in a zingy way ftr)

calzino, Saturday, 28 November 2020 13:44 (three years ago) link

Why, I oughta...

It's probably the last reason I buy a paper. Used to get it Thursday for the tech section, but they stopped that. Friday for the music section, but they stopped that.

The radio times would be cheaper but I like the exhibitions list too, although not so useful these days.

koogs, Saturday, 28 November 2020 13:50 (three years ago) link

I know this column probably isn't the worst of her crimes, just, they pay her how much for this utterly pointless shit while getting rid of loads of half-decent writers and closing every interesting section?

discogs marketplace of ideas (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 29 November 2020 23:55 (three years ago) link

lol i always think the observer is just lots of columns like this and that people like to read them on a sunday and still feel like they're reading the grownup newspaper

plax (ico), Monday, 30 November 2020 11:25 (three years ago) link

"listen to this...!"

plax (ico), Monday, 30 November 2020 11:26 (three years ago) link

I mean if you could paid for such lazy shitposting any of us would take the money, but some really stupid and horrible movie opinions in there as well.

calzino, Monday, 30 November 2020 11:30 (three years ago) link

i actually started reading it but my blood pressure was getting dangerous by the end of the first paragraph so i bailed.

Carry On Scamping (Noodle Vague), Monday, 30 November 2020 13:21 (three years ago) link

it finished before it even got started. was 4 paragraphs of luke-warm takes which felt more like SEO or shilling for disney+ than something you'd pay money to read.

koogs, Monday, 30 November 2020 14:13 (three years ago) link

So sad that her teenage daughter just isn't into that film where Ben Stiller wanks onto his ear lobe.

Clean-up on ILX (onimo), Monday, 30 November 2020 15:34 (three years ago) link

lol just weird what people consider 'classic' movies *in this day and age*

plax (ico), Monday, 30 November 2020 15:40 (three years ago) link

Yes, ZW is nearing 50 and thinks THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY (1998) is a great film?

Has anyone sensible every thought that was a great film? You couldn't even charge £1 for it in a charity shop at this point.

the pinefox, Monday, 30 November 2020 16:26 (three years ago) link

guardian, still sore about backing iraq now signal boosting the rants of unhinged twitter *presence* oz katerji having a go at robert fisk.

Great piece by @OzKaterji, hard to read even having heard all similar stories about Fisk. Like so many, he was inspiring to me as student & so depressing the evidence that he fabricated so much and how he was so badly on wrong side of history on Syria https://t.co/aZjQMoNmJ0

— Jessica Elgot (@jessicaelgot) November 28, 2020

lol @ this in particular

Case in point by the great @Burke_jason https://t.co/szoThcYWjU

— Jessica Elgot (@jessicaelgot) November 28, 2020

like what is the underlying insinuation here? that like there *were* weapons of mass destruction...?

plax (ico), Monday, 30 November 2020 17:00 (three years ago) link

Liberal hawks have been lying to themselves for so long I don't think they have any sense of what truth is any more

Carry On Scamping (Noodle Vague), Monday, 30 November 2020 17:01 (three years ago) link

The jason burke post is especially interesting bc nobody can point to the subsequent fisk article implied in the tweet

plax (ico), Monday, 30 November 2020 17:10 (three years ago) link

THE CRITIC is a deliberately very right-wing magazine, isn't it -- the kind of thing that would choose to publish Toby Young or Rod Liddle?

Without recalling details, I've definitely heard that the Oz Katerji person is bad and dangerous - not just some kind of silly liberal but much worse than that - is that correct?

This leads me to say: Plax (ico) OTM. This is shocking stuff.

the pinefox, Monday, 30 November 2020 17:13 (three years ago) link

He’s an extremely aggressive and unpleasant advocate for war in Syria who has harassed countless opponents and he has aligned himself with a bunch of militia groups who would be considered extremely questionable if they weren’t fighting Assad but he also couldn’t hold down a job writing online filler for the Daily Mail for more than a few days without getting fired for being rude to Peter Hitchens so it’s hard to think of him as ‘dangerous’ in any meaningful political sense.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 30 November 2020 17:56 (three years ago) link

Can These Blurry Glasses Stop Me Perving Over Women?
If it's working for Orthodox Jews, why can't it work for me?

by Oz Katerji
https://assets.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/no-slug/166a886b2ec9d572654032f5634e8f4f.jpg

||||||||, Monday, 30 November 2020 18:09 (three years ago) link

He’s also the cunt who splashed the Corbyn/Jewdas seder to the Mail - someone he knew was there and informed him?

scampopo (suzy), Monday, 30 November 2020 18:18 (three years ago) link

he's an awful twit and a huge eejit

plax (ico), Monday, 30 November 2020 18:22 (three years ago) link

So the Elgot person does seem like an idiot for boosting and praising him.

the pinefox, Monday, 30 November 2020 18:30 (three years ago) link

she is a v senior journalist at the guardian

plax (ico), Monday, 30 November 2020 18:33 (three years ago) link

and yes

plax (ico), Monday, 30 November 2020 18:33 (three years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoGqYAnWMAAbq9F?format=jpg&name=medium

Guardian covers where you feel like someone should be holding up a "A Joke" sign like in that monty python sketch.

calzino, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 09:17 (three years ago) link

A 'blow' that will ensure that Johnson's COVID plan continues as it was going to.

Helen Pidd using a Quentin Letts column to trash Starmer's Labour for opposing the deportation of people who came to the UK as children.

A common complaint i hear about Labour in the former red wall seats is that the party spends too much time debating and defending issues which have little resonance there. A case in point: trying to stop criminals being deported to Jamaica. Look who lined up to support removals: pic.twitter.com/DA1DUJbJsF

— Helen Pidd (@helenpidd) December 1, 2020

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 09:21 (three years ago) link

when all the worst MPs in Britain are for something, then it only makes sense for Labour to support it too!

Neil S, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 09:27 (three years ago) link

so wholeheartedly going all in on hostile environment is a redline that Kieth currently wouldn't cross, bloody hell he's a radical lefty after all!

calzino, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 09:33 (three years ago) link

A common complaint from people who saw what 9+ years of Tory MPs was doing elsewhere and thought yeah let's have some of that at last.

nashwan, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 09:41 (three years ago) link

And now half my twitter feed is about this stupid tweet...

nashwan, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 09:51 (three years ago) link

Thank you Helen for raising awareness of the issue.

fwiw it looks like Starmer is not actually opposing the deportations, just some Labour MPs.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 09:55 (three years ago) link

lol I had a feeling that the very reconstructed tory knight of the realm that thanked the night courts for their hard work during the London riots wouldn't be too violently opposed to HE

calzino, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:00 (three years ago) link

KKKeir SStarmer

Left, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:04 (three years ago) link

Keir Starmer
Angela Rayner
Anneliese Dodds
Nick Thomas-Symonds
Lisa Nandy
Ed Miliband
Jon Ashworth
Rosena Allin-Khan
David Lammy
Jess Phillips
Rachel Reeves
Wes Streeting
Yvette Cooper

^^
the great set of PLP lads + lasses who don't oppose hostile environment - the usual suspects

calzino, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:16 (three years ago) link

nice one ed

Left, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:17 (three years ago) link

yeah lol at "red" Ed and fucking Lammy getting totally neutered by Keith.. pathetic excuse for opposition party MPs.

calzino, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:18 (three years ago) link

more people should be explicit about how specifically anti black this is and how serious a problem it is in this party (/country). and about how central anti black racism is to sir fuckface's new direction (and to british liberalism in general). online left media hasn't picked up on this enough imo

Left, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:35 (three years ago) link

the guardian really hates black people

Left, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 10:38 (three years ago) link

Appalling from Pidd.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 11:06 (three years ago) link

Anti black racism is a vote winner in this country. What else is there to say?

scampus fugit (gyac), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 11:22 (three years ago) link

i missed all the bru-ha-ha over the sainsbury's christmas advert, only catching the ch4 pushback during one ad break. was quite shocked when i heard. then surprised that i was.

koogs, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 11:54 (three years ago) link

Is Private Eye worse than it used to be?

Private Eye has named the Guardian trans activist 'misogynist' who Suzanne Moore complained about (a complaint that wasn't dealt with), because he called her an insecure bigot after she asked him if they could be civil with each other. His name is Owen Jones pic.twitter.com/GRW5pIEaxY

— ripx4nutmeg (@ripx4nutmeg) December 2, 2020

discogs marketplace of ideas (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 3 December 2020 08:59 (three years ago) link

sorry for rt-ing this individual, can't see where else the Private Eye article is being shared

discogs marketplace of ideas (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 3 December 2020 09:00 (three years ago) link

One of many reasons why my Private Eye subscription is not being renewed for the first time in a decade.

scampus fugit (gyac), Thursday, 3 December 2020 09:24 (three years ago) link

just copy the image address and post as IMG if you don't want to give a twitter shit-poster more attention than they deserve. I think the Eye has always been bad, we just didn't used to notice as much or maybe when we were less online and perhaps more starved of "political satire" type content.

calzino, Thursday, 3 December 2020 09:28 (three years ago) link

the typeset is so small, last time I bought a print edition I was struggling to read it with my reading glasses on.

calzino, Thursday, 3 December 2020 09:31 (three years ago) link

Ugh, don’t read the replies. Only one of these people has a reputation for getting blootered and aggressive at media parties and it ain’t OJ. Also: who is enough of an egoiste to email another freelancer before a party demanding civility? AFAIK neither were previously horrible to one another in social settings, so I can only deduce SOMEONE had an idea to get pissed and confrontational, and refer back to this email to ‘prove’ some kind of olive branch was not taken up.

scampopo (suzy), Thursday, 3 December 2020 09:39 (three years ago) link

I have some back issues of Private Eye from the mid-1980s and it has a horrible sneering anti-left tone to it under Ingrams which isn't familiar from when I read it in the 90s and early 2000s. Haven't read it in a long time, but had heard it was doing some good investigative journalism in last decade.

discogs marketplace of ideas (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 3 December 2020 09:41 (three years ago) link

Talking of aggressive drunks, only one of them got beaten up by some as a result of being a hate figure in the right wing media.

ILXceptionalism (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 December 2020 09:44 (three years ago) link

Still a few cracked ribs is nothing compared to being unable to find any paid work for half an hour.

ILXceptionalism (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 December 2020 09:45 (three years ago) link


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