Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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Dunno, too busy lolling at this timeless Miccio post: The fact that I couldn't jerk off to a movie rife with well-endowed hipster chicks in short skirts reaffirms how unpleasant I found most of the film.

My Slow Descent into Assholism (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 July 2009 12:37 (fourteen years ago) link

That's true, about the film, really - the girls are naurally beautiful but Buscemi is naturally vile.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 7 July 2009 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link

btw people have lost sight of the crucial question, which concerns the relation between narrative and theory in the work of Laura Barton.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 7 July 2009 21:09 (fourteen years ago) link

not clicking on tanya gold stories. the more you click, the more they'll print her.

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Thursday, 9 July 2009 09:25 (fourteen years ago) link

It is a very true truism that men are good at music because they prefer it to speech.

Not sure I'd call this a truism, maybe more a... challop

Real Men Play On Words (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 9 July 2009 09:36 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't even understand it - but then I am a man.

Originally opened in 1964 (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 9 July 2009 09:36 (fourteen years ago) link

A very challopy challop

Then in walked Barbara Castle with the Lady Eleanor (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2009 09:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeh, not the most neutral of sources, but this is interesting -- especially the last line:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/media/5797090/Phone-tapping-row-analysis-of-The-Guardians-claims.html

I'm not for one second condoning phone hacking, phone tapping or indeed low-grade tabloid muck-raking, but -- as I said on the David Cameron thread -- there's something about the Guardian's triumphalist reporting that's rankled a little.

a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 11 July 2009 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link

I do not wish to defend every action of the News International empire, but Rupert Murdoch has been an overwhelming force for good in this country's life and politics.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jul/12/coulson-murdoch-sky-phone-hacking

James Mitchell, Sunday, 12 July 2009 15:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Words fail. Perhaps Tim Montgomerie needs to watch this Fry & Laurie sketch...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1aZcsY-O8Q

Stew, Sunday, 12 July 2009 16:07 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

some proper old-school guardianism here:

The advertisement centres on the word "market" – a word that eastern Europeans/Russians pronounce "meerkat" – using talking CGI-animated meerkats. The sole point of this African animal's appearance is, it seems, to highlight the idea that east Europeans cannot pronounce the word market properly when they speak English.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/22/advertising-racism-meerkats

joe, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link

to be fair to the guardian, they are the worst adverts in the world

caek, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Not when that Peugeot 308 advert exists they aren't

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-f-6drx3KQ

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Aargh all advertising executives must die!

Neil S, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 17:54 (fourteen years ago) link

It is one of those irritatingly awful adverts that does the job. When trying to remember market comparison sites recently I remembered this monstrosity and forgot gocompare.com. Astonished to see some Cif commentators call it funny.

Not sure if it's racist.

Alba, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link

the go compare advert is far far far worse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_-9QFvhQWo

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 18:46 (fourteen years ago) link

My curvy Colombian wife feels exactly the same way about the Old El Paso adv-

Susan Tully Blanchard (MPx4A), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 18:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Ha ha. I will not forget gocompare.com in a hurry again.

Alba, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 18:48 (fourteen years ago) link

(One of) the other Peter Joneses's adverts for moneysupermarket.com lags well behind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtsX6mFlyxs

Alba, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 18:49 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o-I_zsqiwg

William Bloody Swygart, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link

confused.com horrible cutesy "we want to be your friend" ads are hateful too.

Neil S, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Dolmio would dectruple their sales if they just ran with the above

unban dictionary (blueski), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 19:45 (fourteen years ago) link

disturbingly realistic.

As for Compare the Meerkat, racism is a-ok with me when compared to that "do you have a beard?" "do you like ice cream?" bawjaws in whatever advert that is.

Akon/Family (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 19:49 (fourteen years ago) link

oh god yeah i really hate that guy.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link

my blood pressure rises as soon as he comes on.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Just noticed that the technology section has a new correspondent whose name is Mercedes Bunz.

James Mitchell, Friday, 4 September 2009 19:15 (fourteen years ago) link

the day after the edition with the technology section, too

topman feature in today's guardian felt like a paid advertisement. bad.

thomp, Friday, 4 September 2009 20:39 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/04/liz-jones-exmoor-files-dulverton

It's funny how this keeps going on about how her writing in the MoS, when the first I heard of her was when the Guardian Weekend magazine printed 41 columns of her fucking boring wedding preparations, which isn't mentioned in here.

j.o.n.a, Saturday, 5 September 2009 13:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Why on earth would anyone upload adverts to youtube? Good grief.

\/*|_*/-\*|) (Pashmina), Saturday, 5 September 2009 13:43 (fourteen years ago) link

I like that people do, it enabled me to prove there was an 80s drink called Bezique and win a crucial pub argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxTs0Xw-S_Q

Hi, Super Nintendo Chalmers! (onimo), Sunday, 6 September 2009 11:06 (fourteen years ago) link

is the guardian slightly retweaked g2 worse any worse than it used to be?

thomp, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 09:51 (fourteen years ago) link

This is one of the poorest, most phoned-in front section articles I've read in some time:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/sep/08/obama-healthcare-speech

The next weeks are also crucial on the Afghanistan front, as Obama ponders how many more troops to send. Here again he'll have a fight with his party's liberals, who don't seem to have given much thought to what would happen there if we reduce troop levels and the Taliban regain control of much of the country - or the country.

Much of the country - or the country - well, actually a majority of Americans polled say that the United States shouldn't be in Afghanistan at all. That is a somewhat more substantial constituency than "his party's liberals". Which makes Tomasky's amazing condescension that much more rich and velvety.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 10:12 (fourteen years ago) link

tracer "'yes we can' needs to become 'yes we are'" get on message here

tomasky really is kind of an annoying twat

thomp, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 10:15 (fourteen years ago) link

"'yes we can' needs to become 'yes we are'"

What does he intend that to even mean?? I puzzled over it for a good 4-5 seconds before flipping over to the five-page spread about short men in positions of power.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 10:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Did anyone see the bit in G2 yesterday that recommended £275 bunny ear headbands as a fashion tip?

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 10:38 (fourteen years ago) link

I usually like Tomasky but that was totally all over the place. Amazed/amused at the trollage from US wingnuts.

lacoste intolerant (suzy), Wednesday, 9 September 2009 11:00 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/09/second-world-war-soviet-pact

oh hey look, a senior member of the guardian editorial team is a fucking stalinist.

history mayne, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Fed by the revival of the nationalist right in eastern Europe...

hmm, pretty sure the last time a nationalist movement appeared in eastern Europe and committed actual genocide this guy was at the forefront of its apologists but maybe my memory is faulty,

he state that had led the campaign against fascism since before the Spanish civil war.

and what a great job those russian anti-fascists did in spain! totally fascist-free for decades and all thanks to uncle joe stalin!

it's a close thing, but i think the seamus milnes are more corrosive to the guardian than the tanya golds in the long run.

joe, Thursday, 10 September 2009 01:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Seumas Milne is handy for pinpointing Enrique's latest username.

Alba, Thursday, 10 September 2009 06:23 (fourteen years ago) link

some fucknut on my facebook posted this article approvingly and some other fucknut commented thus:

"I will repost this article on my wall - since settliing in Poland, I am constantly amazed how history is re-written - and worse, taught! - according to the rampant anti-Russian sentiment here.
21 minutes ago"

i just cannot for the life of me wonder why there might be anti-russian sentiment in poland.

history mayne, Thursday, 10 September 2009 07:55 (fourteen years ago) link

lol wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Russian_sentiment#Poland

James Mitchell, Thursday, 10 September 2009 07:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Mercedes Bunz is on a roll:

"The 17 declarations got picked up worldwide and discussed worldwide."

"However, The New York Times announcing a startup named Journalism Online LLC, which AFP reported said had attracted "over 500 publications sign up" to a paid-content system."

James Mitchell, Thursday, 10 September 2009 09:53 (fourteen years ago) link

The fact that there are good reasons for anti-Russian feeling in Eastern Europe doesn't mean there's no distortion of history going on there.

But you know, maybe I'm just a 'Stalinist'.

Bad fucking Bowie (Lord Byron Lived Here), Thursday, 10 September 2009 10:55 (fourteen years ago) link

well, seamus milne describes the annexation of half of poland in 1939 as a "defensive move". he is a stalinist who repeatedly downplays, or in his terms 'relativizes', soviet brutality.

it's a distortion of history to call nazism and soviet communism "the same thing", and there are no doubt bad people in eastern europe who are distorting history.

that's no excuse for the guardian to do the same.

But the pretence that Soviet repression reached anything like the scale or depths of Nazi savagery – or that the postwar "enslavement" of eastern Europe can be equated with wartime Nazi genocide – is a mendacity that tips towards Holocaust denial. It is certainly not a mistake that could have been made by the Auschwitz survivors liberated by the Red Army in 1945.

well, it's true that the postwar enslavement of eastern europe – why the quote marks?! – wasn't as bad as the holocaust. a great starting point. but i would say soviet "repression" did on occasion get as bad, depths-wise, as "nazi savagery".

it is awesome that he brings up the soviet advance through eastern europe in 1945 there though. the civilian population of poland and germany really felt the tide of freedom wash over them.

oh yeah also: russian "campaign against fascism" before 1936... kind of involved refusing to align with social democratic parties in europe, including germany, against the nazis, right? result.

history mayne, Thursday, 10 September 2009 11:23 (fourteen years ago) link

"a mendacity that tips towards Holocaust denial"

Ugh, that's a weaselly line.

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 10 September 2009 17:59 (fourteen years ago) link

funnily enough, despite him being a stalinist running dog of the khomeni regime, i agree w./ seumas milne today.

this is an interesting, cat-among-the-pigeons article. has d'orr joined the guardian?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/17/collapse-of-the-left

history mayne, Thursday, 17 September 2009 08:44 (fourteen years ago) link

"a shiver ran along the Labour back benches looking for a spine to run up"

Love this quote (from the comments) - originally from when Winnie Ewing beat Labour in a Hamilton by-election back in the 60s.

astronimo domino (onimo), Thursday, 17 September 2009 10:12 (fourteen years ago) link

But Seamus Milne is just wrong here - it's not Cameron and Osborne that have ramraided Brown into talking about cuts, it's Alistair Darling. Because Labour were planning to make cuts all along, Brown was out and out lying to the electorate about it because it would mess up the clear 'Labour investment vs Tory cuts' dividing line he'd drawn for the next election campaign, and Darling knew that wouldn't wash.

Matt DC, Thursday, 17 September 2009 10:36 (fourteen years ago) link


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