Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

that's marine le pen, she's also bad

in fairness probably slightly worse than maire le conte

No, I'm pretty sure she's better

only one way to find out...

Oh! I always get those two mixed up

What's the only way to find out?

elect marie le conte prime minister of england AND president of france iirc

im assuming the union has to sunder before this is possible

The Auld Alliance might help there though!

its great to see everything show up to snidely defend transphobia as usual

(xp) I think we've given up on that now, after hanging around waiting on the French to hold up their side of the deal. Unless you mean the pub in the Bastille district.

Xp

Despite the moniker they are clearly not all that.

Really can’t stand transphobic liberals’ rhetoric around speaking for women, when most women support trans women as women.

context-free, i think everything's post is correct? we have a rightwing press that primarily concerns itself with pressing the red-button marked 'culture war' repeatedly every day and cackling. its is as futile to expect that the guardian would be critical of this high court ruling just as it would have been to hope that it would have opposed the war in iraq. it is still possible to be disappointed that we have a such a cruel and vindictive press but i doubt, too, agree that no newspaper is going to run an editorial opposing the high court ruling.

i think that's true but poster everything has form for gently suggesting they agree with this state of affairs

The context is that poster everything has clearly shown their arse on multiple occasions on this particular subject, though.

oh i agree with both of you and im not in any way trying to charitably reinterpret their words. i just think a closer reading, in this instance, shows something useful. their post doesn't engage with the actual content of the ruling (or indeed the appalling criteria it used for hearing evidence, allowing hate groups a voice but not young trans people who will be most affected by the ruling), rather it (approvingly) nods to the various factions of power lining up against trans rights right now. the entire content of the post in fact is appealing to the vindication of being aligned with "mainstream newspapers" in this country. if this is the moral company you wish to keep i feel sorry for you.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2020/dec/08/dominic-cummings-gag-voted-christmas-cracker-joke-of-the-year

Dessau said during one of the “strangest and most turbulent years yet, we can always rely on British humour to pull us through”.

I have an actual paper copy of a Guardian in my hands for the first time in years.

(delivered by a friend of a friend in the NHS who's been sneaking me in coffee and breakfast rolls. She got me a Herald yesterday.)

Now... is it worse than it used to be?

honestly the paper version is not as bad as www.theguardian.com

I agree! It works better on paper.

Is Onimo in a hospital?

I miss breakfast rolls.

I am in the hospital. I have the Guardian and you lot to help me pull through.

gulp

Yikes, Onimo!

I like the Tree of the Week feature:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/series/tree-of-the-week

“These places began to fall to the Tories in 2017 before leaving Labour en masse in 2019"

Really?

Must have imagined Labour losing Shipley, Manchester Withington, Rochdale and Scarborough in 2005
And Dewsbury, Redditch, Redcar and Bradford East in 2010https://t.co/4Yo536XzHV

— Andrew Fisher (@FisherAndrew79) December 9, 2020

the Graun's northern correspondent mindlessly parroting Kieth's nakedly factional slant on the decline of Labour in the north shocker.

fictional/factional

I used to like those scouse bastards for their stubborn anti-Tory hatred (even though they used to historically vote for them along sectarian lines and were still voting for the fucking Liberal party up to the late 80's!) But I want them to abstain on Starmer Labour and help bring about the demise of this fuckers' political career.

Corbyn became Labour leader because the party had a series of massive problems that were causing terminal decline. It is a ruinous fantasy to pretend that Corbyn himself sparked a decline in a previously healthy party. Wild nonsense.

— Simon Vessey (@Simon_Vessey) December 9, 2020

If Kieth isn't interested in the big picture of the decline of the labour party beyond what use it is for the current McCarthyite purging of all the left, then he will need a lot of dumb luck to ever get into power and nobody will be popping the champers apart from landlords, cops, and his right-wing banker pals from the Trilateral Commission if he does. Yes i know this isn't the Keith thread and I'm a monomaniacal ranter etc.. but lol whatever, it keeps me off the streets!

xxxp TIL Redditch is in the north

pvmic ;p

I've got a good friend from Northumberland and don't get him started on places in the Midlands being called 'the North'.

I don't even consider Chesterfield the North tbh so some serious liberties taken with Redditch there!

real London heads know anywhere north of the Watford gap = The North

My friend will not have Derbyshire under any circumstances.

I defer to It's Grim up North, where Nantwich is the most southerly place mentioned.

Redditch is level with the Watford Gap! I guess the northern suburbs of Redditch may be north of it

if extremely orthodox and conservative looking het-men call similar others duck or love without any homoerotic subtext or irony, then you might have left the north a bit!

My North marker is Sheffield. Anything below that is not the North. (Though one of my besties is from Stoke and it feels more "Northy" than here, even though it's almost the same latitude.)

oops, the gap is a bit further north than i thought and Redditch probably a bit further south

Stoke feels more North because weird accent and permanent glacial temperatures caused by locals clinging to the last Ice Age

tbf have heard Londoners confuse Watford Gap with Watford and think St Albans is in the north

I saw this bungalow getting done up recently, it's in the middle of nowhere next to a farm and I've never seen such a long and expensive refurb done on one little small modest bungalow as this - it took almost a year and no expense was spared including an antique royal mail postbox mounted into the drystone wall and a lovely big wooden gate, the sandstone roofing tiles were removed cleaned of moss and a whole new roofing timber was fitted before they were put back. I bumped into an old work colleague doing the alarm system, door entry systems and sec cameras etc and said it was like fort knox. Anyway it turns out it is the new Savile Estate Office and this current Lord Savile lives in Cornwall but his family have owned most of where I live since late medieval times. Real Yorkshire!

🐦[“These places began to fall to the Tories in 2017 before leaving Labour en masse in 2019"

Really?

Must have imagined Labour losing Shipley, Manchester Withington, Rochdale and Scarborough in 2005
And Dewsbury, Redditch, Redcar and Bradford East in 2010https://t.co/4Yo536XzHV🕸
— Andrew Fisher (@FisherAndrew79) December 9, 2020🕸]🐦

the Graun's northern correspondent mindlessly parroting Kieth's nakedly factional slant on the decline of Labour in the north shocker.

Is there a *paper* Guardian today?

hopefully not

last week's guide had 2 weeks of tv in it so i'm assuming not.

There is one (with magazine and Feast).

it's feast or famine time

Oh lol Jesus Christ I thought that was in ukpol