Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

actually, even PhDs are kinda split as to whether they call themselves "Dr" in public

or just in the classroom/academic setting/amongst colleagues

Ask Doctor Casino

horrible fucking WSJ article, which goes without saying obv

Then there's the ever popular Doctor of Jurisprudence degree. But few JDs affix the honorific of Dr. to their name.

we can debate it here!

should PHDs refer to themselves as "doctor" in public?

hey k3vin, how about you do the 8 years it takes to get a PhD and come back and tell me it's less worthy of respect than going to medical school for 5 years?

― assert (MatthewK), Saturday, December 12, 2020 7:02 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

well thank you for the compliment, but they only make us do 4 years of medical school. as it turns out I have another doctorate as well and spent a total of 8 years on all that nonsense, so I feel comfortable standing shoulder to shoulder with such giants and saying anyone (physician or otherwise) who introduces themselves as “dr so-and-so” in casual company is obnoxious. dying on this particular hill, sorry

anyway that’s just a personal pet peeve about casual company based on experience. in a news article for example if a physician is going to be referred to as “dr” I agree phds should be too

where did you find time to participate in goon threads, d00d

maybe you guys were my subjects

OMG

lol my goon thread says were mostly as an undergrad anyway

yeah I think it's been 6 years since I even posted in one, so time has gotten away!

dying on this particular hill, sorry

― k3vin k., Sunday, 13 December 2020 00:15 (fifty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

rip if only thered been an actual dr

WHY????!!!!!!!!!!!!

ugstore

Madame First Lady—Mrs. Biden—Jill—kiddo: a bit of advice on what may seem like a small but I think is a not unimportant matter. Any chance you might drop the “Dr.” before your name? “Dr. Jill Biden ” sounds and feels fraudulent, not to say a touch comic. Your degree is, I believe, an Ed.D., a doctor of education, earned at the University of Delaware through a dissertation with the unpromising title “Student Retention at the Community College Level: Meeting Students’ Needs.” A wise man once said that no one should call himself “Dr.” unless he has delivered a child. Think about it, Dr. Jill, and forthwith drop the doc.

WSJ: Is There a Doctor in the White House? Not if You Need an M.D, by Joseph Epstein

key context that may not be clear: Joseph Epstein is a terrible person

that's the misogynist opening salvo I think k3v was largely referring to. gross!

has anyone mentioned that Jill Biden is a juggalo yet?

lol, i'm such a dum-dum i didn't realize that k3vin had mentioned that before! pay no heed to anything i just said or my quoting of that, i wasn't trying to make a meta-reference or make any point or anything. i came across the lawyers/guns/blogs/ that mentioned the WSJ article and thought i had come upon something related to the convo and also kind of funny

I'm impressed that you guys all have Wall Street Journal subscriptions

i like to read the first 3 paragraphs of the WSJ, until it fades into gray and then the paywall, then think to myself "i wouldn't pay to read THAT garbage! now let's see, what other WSJ content can i preview..."

Well if you sign up for six months you get a doctorate so

the wall street journal - that's where i'm a doctor (meaning that i excel)!

Dr excel is a legitimately useful site tbf

paywall bypass for Chrome gets past the WSJ paywall

I apologise for my dumbshit ad hominem k3vin. I don’t call myself Dr in public and I roll my eyes at many who do, I was just incensed by that misogynist article.

no problem, no hard feelings. my thoughts were really just directed at certain stuck-up ppl. that article sucked

he called her "kiddo"

that was the grossest part

As someone who worked on the staff and faculty staff of a public research university, I can speak to the shit that Jill Biden's degree gets from academics.

The First Kiddo

I know at least 100+ people with phds (at least a dozen live within a block of my house) and zero of them ever refer to themselves as "doctor" in any sort of public setting. On their CVs, yes, and when it matters in university contexts but never in casual conversation; most seem really hesitant to do so because they would never want people to think they're MDs.

A huge number of them were absolutely outraged about that WSJ article though

I think we should ban all words with more than one meaning.

Ok but why is everyone so deferential about MDs?

What would you say to someone who was okay with "Ms. Biden" if we also default to "Mr. Fauci"?

(Fauci, by the way, has been a researcher and administrator of a research institution, but has pretty much never been a clinician and has certainly never delivered a baby.)

Like, I haven't seen much space given to the opinion that medical doctors are also just people who do jobs, and when they're not in the act of doing that job they may also just as well be Mr., Ms., Tony, or Jill.

Hero worship of doctors as ministering angels would make more sense if we didn't have Scott Atlas, the "alien sperm" person, Trump’s weird crazy-hair guy. Or a zillion plastic surgeons and dentists and psychopharmacologists who have done way more harm than good, and certainly more harm than yr average quiet English professor or, for that matter, Jill Biden.

Trump’s weird crazy-hair guy

gonna have to narrow this down

I can guarantee you fauci has delivered a baby. I’ve delivered a baby, and docs in training back in his day were allowed to do all sorts of wild shit unsupervised

Sic: this guy

https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/p/n/m/e/f/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.710x400.1pnm7o.png/1525222409852.jpg

As you can see, because he's an MD
he's totally more admirable and worthy of respectful titles than, say, the Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Jr. or whoever

I 1000% agree with you about doctors being people who do jobs btw, that is more or less the reason for my post initially

crazy-hair guy probably refers to Trump's personal physician who signed a fawning letter in 2016 saying Trump, if elected, would be the healthiest president in the history of the world. He later said Trump wrote the letter and asked him to sign it.

^ was xp'ed

Again I am cool with leveling all the PhDs in art history or whatever, but I don't see why we should stop there.

If someone with a doctorate in medieval poetry is only "Dr. So-and-so" when in a classroom or on campus, ok.

But then a gastroenterologist is ALSO "Dr. So-and-so" only when in an examining room or a hospital. Deal?

(Crud, just realized this would be better in the poll thread on this topic; I can relocate further discussion there.)

I was jokesing because there have been a few other distinctive-looking Trump doctors float in and out of the story since Bornstein

congrats to Joseph Epstein for making me remember who he is, when I haven't thought about him since ~2003

Someone’s gotta rep for the Epsteins these days

While reminding myself of who this dude is, I did learn about this Joseph Epstein who sounds much more redeeming: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Epstein

“Faith in our institutions held. The integrity of our elections remains intact. And now it is time to turn the page, as we’ve done throughout our history. To unite. To heal.”

oh good

And now it is time to turn the page

*saxophonist steps into spotlight*