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immigration isn't good or bad

silby had Sanpaku’s number the first time tbh

yall i knew sanpaku was full of shit years agin, just saying

ago, agin and agin

agog

his demos were better

you guys are being ridiculous. You're saying "repeating fascist tropes" as if saying anything that has tinges of something fascists also say is equivalent to uttering a spell that conjures up fascism.

i'm saying that talking about immigration as problematic outside of any concept of capitalist exploitation is using the language of the far right. i specifically quoted this

Want better conditions for labor? Make it scarce compared to capital

sanpaku specifically referred to legal immigration in general so we can talk about temporary foreign worker visas til the cows come home but he's talking about immigration as per se a bad thing for Americans (not including those pesky immigrant Americans naturally)

as to the economic arguments. one country pursuing protectionism while the global economy is defined by free trade is a non-starter for obvious reasons. and as to restriction of immigration as an economic panacea: I guess we could look to Japan, a famously low immigration society, their economy has only been stagnating since ... 1990

and this is still predicated on some notion that a nation's labour is somehow intended to supply the needs of that nation itself? when has that ever been true?

lol @ taking the idea of a "global economy defined by free trade" at face value

also lol @ turning this into a strawman about "restriction of immigration as an economic panacea"

do u believe in LOLs

xp

can't see anybody doing that, can see a couple of people using the idea of immigration as neoliberal tool for wage control

lol @ taking the idea of a "global economy defined by free trade" at face value

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, December 14, 2020 3:08 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

also lol @ turning this into a strawman about "restriction of immigration as an economic panacea"

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, December 14, 2020 3:08 PM (twenty-five seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

how about fuck off

man alive showing his arse on yet another thread about how nefarious foreigns hurt the indigenous people is it? Well I fucking never.

how nefarious foreigns hurt the indigenous people

Feeling very proud of my immigrant powers rn.

I guess we could look to Japan, a famously low immigration society, their economy has only been stagnating since ... 1990

Worth it to maintain a pure ecosystem, amirite?

Kind of struggling to see where gyac got "nefarious foreigns" from MORE legal immigration, but on a level playing field and one that makes citizenship easier to attain rather than a dual-track guest worker type system.

probably your defending of Sanpaku and then laughing at people who’ve explained upthread why the points being raised are so concerning, happy to help

the fact that it's become a liberal (in the left-liberal sense) thing to tout "a global economy defined by free trade" is deserving of ridicule and scorn. It's exactly what's wrong with Democrats today.

I really like Pete Buttigieg and think his rise in politics is a happy development, I'm not even sure that's a conservative belief but it's definitely uncool

xp I was referring to the human cost of that kind of rhetoric, as mentioned by Jim.

I really like Pete Buttigieg and think his rise in politics is a happy development, I'm not even sure that's a conservative belief but it's definitely uncool

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, December 16, 2020 12:13 PM (twenty-one minutes ago

mckinsey needs representation on the national stage, agreed

I really like Pete Buttigieg and think his rise in politics is a happy development,

Happy for who? His AI?

lol this was never gonna be THAT safe a space

the fact that it's become a liberal (in the left-liberal sense) thing to tout "a global economy defined by free trade" is deserving of ridicule and scorn. It's exactly what's wrong with Democrats today.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, December 16, 2020 7:55 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

im not "touting it "and am not a liberal. the issue is that you can't opt out from existing in the global economy, so the stance of "just don't take part in trade deals like everyone else" doesn't really hold water for me. the Lexit argument in the uk, which didn't have many adherents, was of this ilk. the argument goes something like"

opt out of the crony capitalist organization the EU
??????
socialism in the UK and better pay and standards of living for workers

i don’t have strong feelings about pete either way but the ire towards him on twitter is so overblown it makes me want to contraristan

non-service dogs should never be allowed in any business ever*

*pet grooming, veterinarian clinics etc excepted

i wanna weigh in on Sankaku man alive vs jim immigration debate but im submitting a paper tonight so it’ll have to wait a day or 2 but tl;dr jim is correct (although imo it’s way out of line to call them fascists). there’s actually virtually no evidence that immigration pushes down wages. it’s depressingly ironic to me that hurting and sampaku are using the same simplistic “demand and supply” arguments that i bang my head against the wall at conservative labor economists for using. however as per usual u are all way too up your own asses with the “no you’re the neoliberal” “actually we should abolish the nation state and have a
global communist order” “and yet you live within a nation state” circular oneupmanship to understand anything

I only called Sanpaku a fascist. I don't think man alive is a fascist. I do think Sanpaku is a fascist and it's not out of line.

this is the guy who likes to daydream about resource wars and nods approvingly at the Xi regime mind you

im saying this based on the post in question, not familiar with his posts in other threads

There is only #onethread

flopson otm as usual

i don’t have strong feelings about pete either way but the ire towards him on twitter is so overblown it makes me want to contraristan

― flopson, Wednesday, December 16, 2020 1:12 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is the first good thing about Twitter I have ever heard.

socialism is international or it's meaningless.

I think this is why there are a lot of "liberals" and "moderates" ... they have concluded that it is impossible to have international socialism and thus it is meaningless, and hence, we make do

tlg otm as usual

We would like to remind you that the designation, "fascist" should be reserved for actual fascists such as Hitler.

Viele Dank

I am otm as usual.

Feel no qualms about labeling Sanpaku a fascist, whatsoever.

Dear silby,

Please reconsider your qualms

Warmest Regards

can we go back to eephus liking PB and flopson wanting to contraristan him for a sec? all i have to say to that bullshit is... gtfo of here with it

what's wrong with peanut butter?

that's what i asked your mom

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

*wipes brow after that sick burn* i'm j/k

tried to throw a dog hot take to distract from the clusterfuck, to no avail

oh i missed that one and have to say i agree

brb writing working on a hot dog take