in conclusion publishers don't know what they're doing either and everything is a stupid lottery
― mark s, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 13:34 (three years ago) link
But Milo, at the time, was riding high on the alt-right/alt-lite wave. I can see how someone would think publishing a book of his would be very profitable. Burchill's time has passed, surely? If you want a FrEe SpEeCh islamophobia outrage read there's so many others to choose from.
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 13:37 (three years ago) link
Yes, I cannot imagine who - other than, as mark says, UK media types - would be interested in reading a bok (or anything) by Julie Burchill in 2020.
― Godless Tiny Tim (Tom D.), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 13:44 (three years ago) link
small but noisy clan of middle-aged coked-up ressentiment-laced rightwards-liberal north londoners
― imago, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 14:03 (three years ago) link
oh you did say the media types actually, my bad
https://productimages.worldofbooks.com/1847490964.jpg
apparently Julie's effort isn't quite up to the standard of the Lawrence Fox book
― calzino, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 14:06 (three years ago) link
dh lawrence might as well be the absolute fucking patron saint of anti-woke media-types lol
― imago, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 14:08 (three years ago) link
^^^my turn at being user Left, everyone must be cancelled
thing is, dh lawrence WAS -
― imago, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 14:10 (three years ago) link
unconvinced by this assessment of the works of nottinghamshire dave
― mark s, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 14:13 (three years ago) link
ah c'mon, these people would kill to be declared legally obscene and have their works publicly banned lol
― imago, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 14:16 (three years ago) link
Last time I tried to read Lawrence my teeth were so on edge after a page or two I must've ground them down a few millimetres
― Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 14:17 (three years ago) link
And no of course the anti woke army don't want to be censored by the law where's the fun in that?
― Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 14:18 (three years ago) link
wd you let yr servants read THE PLUMED SERPENT user imago? i put it to you --
https://img1.od-cdn.com/ImageType-400/2051-1/112/5C6/58/%7B1125C658-37F5-4DF4-8D18-8CDF232B7C84%7DImg400.jpg
― mark s, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 14:20 (three years ago) link
good cover or bad?
(good)
Great cover, too good for that lummox
― Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 14:24 (three years ago) link
i guess he's like hemingway, the good lessons are so absorbed by one and all you don't even see them as the value of the writing any more and only repeatedly stumble over the bad stuff nowadays
(dhl's book on american lit is excellent, very funny and sharp on things ppl weren't seeing then -- he wd have been a good shitposter, longform fucked him up i think)
(the fontana modern master on him is p good tho very weirdly structured, the leavis book is AMAZINGLY TERRIBLE)
― mark s, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 14:28 (three years ago) link
The non novels are fine, yes, tbf. Every bit of the novels I've read are like a self-conscious scholarship boy trying to show you how smart he is and not quite pulling it off
― Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 14:30 (three years ago) link
omg
― imago, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 14:32 (three years ago) link
I read Lawrence's Apocalypse before I really understood what it was about and seem to remember it was bonkers, need to give it another try.
― glumdalclitch, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 15:42 (three years ago) link
Lots of adult human females whinging in the mentions on that tweet, obvs.
― scampopo (suzy), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 15:48 (three years ago) link
She has undeleted her twitter and posted a video of some IDF soldiers dancing
― ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 15:59 (three years ago) link
Sea and Sardinia is great. I like a bunch of his poetry too. The novels are exhausting.
Burchill can fuck off.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link
i think... i quite like some of dhl's novels. Like is perhaps the wrong word. But the conversation has made me want to revisit The Rainbow and Sons and Lovers, which istr i found intersting at the time.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 10:54 (three years ago) link
they were very fighty! (some of the fights song since won of course -- porn now compulsory -- but possibly not all!)
― mark s, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 12:55 (three years ago) link
those fights in full (except for the porn): "i am slim and fey and sexy and ginger and working class and yet i am also way smarter than any of you so-called bloomsbury types who want to pet me and fuck me"
― mark s, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 12:56 (three years ago) link
(i guess that includes some of the porn)
― mark s, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 12:57 (three years ago) link
Lorks, looks like JB is going full Linehan.
― lilcraigyboi (Craigo Boingo), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 06:29 (three years ago) link
At least the awful, awful Linehan created works of genius before going full shithead
― Change Display Name: (stevie), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 07:26 (three years ago) link
JB, who is?
― Sven Vath's scary carpet (Neil S), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 09:41 (three years ago) link
Julie Burchill, I’d guess.
― Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 23 December 2020 09:51 (three years ago) link
My jaw has just hit the floor.
The Spectator’s Christmas edition contains this poem by Julie Burchill about Priti Patel; the rhyming is criminal, the intent malevolent. pic.twitter.com/UmONzBwMQl— Mic O’Holy Wright 🏳️🌈🌋🏴☠️ (@brokenbottleboy) December 28, 2020
― Dan Worsley, Monday, 28 December 2020 16:17 (three years ago) link
jesus, mary and jiminy fucking cricket!
― calzino, Monday, 28 December 2020 16:21 (three years ago) link
BOAK
― scampopo (suzy), Monday, 28 December 2020 17:08 (three years ago) link
I was expecting it to be awful, still wasn't at all prepared for that.
― ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 28 December 2020 18:09 (three years ago) link
i think this article that my phone wants me to read is also in the christmas one, surely a bumper issue of jfc no:
‘You can’t have opinions any more’: Rick Wakeman interviewed by Rod Liddle
― kites aren't fun (NickB), Monday, 28 December 2020 18:46 (three years ago) link
If I were Rick Wakeman, I'd be glad no-one was allowed opinions.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 28 December 2020 18:48 (three years ago) link
I'm pretty sure Rick does, in fact, express many of his opinions in said article.
― why can't they dance to Holdsworth? (Matt #2), Monday, 28 December 2020 19:47 (three years ago) link
this you can't say anything these days line is older than me and it's as strong as ever after decades of people loudly saying all the things they insist they're not allowed to say
it obviously has the effect of silencing kinds of speech that are accused of being silencing of the kinds of speech favoured by the telling it like it is crowd, but they seem to think this kind of preemptive self victimisation is an essential part of telling it like it is
― Left, Monday, 28 December 2020 20:08 (three years ago) link
this cancel culture thing we keep hearing about... how do we make it happen?
― new variant (onimo), Monday, 28 December 2020 23:36 (three years ago) link
I fully intend to ask people like that if they’re whinging about cancellation in advance of some major plan to say something insensitive in public.
― scampopo (suzy), Monday, 28 December 2020 23:39 (three years ago) link
it might have worked a treat for Julie. I don't know how publishing works but I presume she a got an advance on her book before it was cancelled. And now maybe she'll get another one! Or if not it's increased her profile much more than that execrable brexit play did. Lol I can remember when she was bigging up Patrick Marber as the greatest living UK playwright, around the time of Closer I think. For some ridiculous reason that play is on my bookshelf, my partner bought it at some point and when I was having a rubbish clear-out she wouldn't let me throw it in the burner where it belongs!
― calzino, Monday, 28 December 2020 23:56 (three years ago) link
dark lols at me typing "cancer culture" and just spotting it before I hit submit btw
― new variant (onimo), Tuesday, 29 December 2020 00:12 (three years ago) link
The problem I had with Closer was that every character was such an unbearable self-absorbed twat that it was hard to care about any of them, not surprised that JB identifies with it.
― ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 29 December 2020 00:32 (three years ago) link
^^
nailed it!
― calzino, Tuesday, 29 December 2020 00:41 (three years ago) link
xxp
your typing/editing skills are still much better than mine, Onimo. I miss out words all the time and often even if I check before I post I mentally add them when they aren't there!
― calzino, Tuesday, 29 December 2020 00:43 (three years ago) link
one dialogue segment of Closer that Julie highlighted as classic playwright greatness was some corny as fuck line about how the human heart looks like a clenched fist... (´*`)
― calzino, Tuesday, 29 December 2020 00:48 (three years ago) link
He was always good on "Knowing Me, Knowing You" though.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Tuesday, 29 December 2020 01:15 (three years ago) link
true yeah.. and also as the dim-witted reporter Peter O'Hanraha-hanrahan on the day today!
― calzino, Tuesday, 29 December 2020 01:23 (three years ago) link
Very much so!
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Tuesday, 29 December 2020 01:25 (three years ago) link