Things you were shockingly old when you learned

Zappa is Italian for 'hoe'.

Superman dat Zappa

Some Like It Hot was on earlier.

... wrong thread but I'll just leave that there.

Can't Make a Zappa a Housewife

Spider know I got Zappas, M.O.P. know I got Zappas
Mobb Deep know I got Zappas, Eminem know I got Zappas
Dr. Dre know I got Zappas, Lord knows, I got Zappas

Pimps up, Zappas down

I was listening to 1st Wave on Sirius the other day and heard Richard Blade pronounce the word duet as “du-ay” , I was like wtf but maybe it’s like duvet? So I googled, and du-ay doesn’t seem to be a thing. It is doo-et. But. But, then... I see that it says the British pronunciation is with a j? Like joo-et!? Is this real and how could I ever not come across this until now?

hmm - it's dyoo-et, not doo or joo, but it does sound very close to joo and in some recent experiments conducted entirely by and on myself it seems you could say joo and get away with it.

Also, depending on where you're from in the UK (and probably your all-important class background) you wouldn't really say the 't' either. So it'd be something like joo-e', with a slight 'h' sound at the end.

There are some British pronunciations of "dual" that sound very close to "jewel" to American ears.

I have an acquaintance in a transatlantic marriage who could not understand what her husband meant by a "jewel carriage way."

Some Like it Hot was on first thing in the morning on RTE I think it started at like 9.30.
Used to notice that Irish TV was a lot less censored that the Northern Irish British stuff but that still somewaht surprised me.
Seemed like an odd film to be on at that time anyway even without the transvestite subtext etc and the punchline.
Does this mean a more progressive Ireland or people being so familiar with the film that its all just accepted which again might be positive.

That's down to Americans pronouncing'u' as 'oo', which, in most cases, you won't hear in the UK (or Aus/NZ/SA?). Unless you're from Norfolk.

... Ireland.

... I mean, you won't hear it in Ireland either.

Also, depending on where you're from in the UK (and probably your all-important class background) you wouldn't really say the 't' either. So it'd be something like joo-e', with a slight 'h' sound at the end.

Not sure I understand this?

i think he means the foreshortened swallowing of the 't' that happens when americans pronounce the word 'mountain' for instance i.e. 'moun-uhn'

i do the same (as an american) with 'duet' i.e. 'doo-eh' and then a hard clamping of the tongue on the upper palate to brings things to a sharp close but definitely not an actual 't' sound

In English, I cross the t, so to speak, contra French and in line with the Italian duetto.

The addition of a y sound after the d doesn’t phase me, but google is telling me the British pronounce it without any d, just a straight up hard j and hard t, which seems insane and wrong.

(Oops faze, not phase - always do that one)

I think of there being two variable: saying the d as just d, dj or j, then saying the u as you or oo.

Just a d is RP I think, and just a j is lower-class SE England, but I’m not sure hope the rest of it breaks down. Scots would generally also say d I think? I’m more dj.

The oo bit is the obviously American, and also Indian. But I think joo-et would be roughly how many in SE England would say it too.

Variables
Sure how

Too confusing; didn’t read:

Posh people and maybe Scots: dyou-ET
Cockneys: joo-ET
Everyone else: maybe djyou-ET, djoo-ET or the top one

i think he means the foreshortened swallowing of the 't' that happens when americans pronounce the word 'mountain' for instance i.e. 'moun-uhn'

Glottal stop?

(xp) Sounds right.

Yes that's what I meant! I kind of slip into it in my more mockney moments.

"It's like Strindberg in here. Wi' glottal stops"

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Vaguely related: I listen to a lot of cricket and am still always confused by the Australian pronunciation of 'debut'. I've only heard minor variations of equally stressed 'day-byew' but the Aussie pronunciation is a tiny first 'de' and a big old stress on the second syllable of 'BOO'.

wi glottal stop meetin' loik this

Legit howling over here

That's down to Americans pronouncing 'u' as 'oo'

I guess we do because I am American and I have no idea what two different sounds you're trying to distinguish here.

u="you" vs u="oo"

in england you hear this difference in words like 'insulate' - americans will just schwa that u, but english people will pretty much say 'insyoo-late'

i think i first clocked this when i heard someone pronounce 'lure' i.e. 'lyure' - which to me just seems like SUCH a long way round for such a simple word

My mum sometimes says 'dyoo-vay' when she's trying to be posh

At least we can all agree on 'inure', right?

…right?

Btw 'lyure' likewise disconcerts my Canuck ears but I can deal with 'alyure'.

A dyoo-ron ron ron

A dyoo-ron ron

Americans say fyool not fool for 'fuel' though, so it's not a hard and fast rule. What about duel or dual though?

.. or fewl not foo-el.

Gimme fool gimme fire

dool
dooshwal

Chewsday

poxy fyule

Americans say fyool not fool for 'fuel' though, so it's not a hard and fast rule.

this is much adieu about nothing

That's what a fyule believes!

I got p-taken for saying syoot for male formal clobber.
NOt sure how you are sposed to say things like that , sooot?

Again, RP would be syoot and it’s one my dad would tell us off for when we said sooot.

Gentlemen Prefer Blondes which is on tv right now was based on a play based on a novel from the late 20s which I didn't realise until the novel turned up in a recent poll.

"syoot" would seem pretentious in the US, I would say. We say sooot (rhymes with shoot). (Not to be confused with soot, which rhymes with put.)

feel like wire were not singing 'mr syoot'