i think at least part of his point is that twitter has almost no control over its user base and whatever the original purpose of twitter was (brief information updates?), it's now degenerated into "here for the trainwreck"
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 4 January 2021 bookmarkflaglink
Why would twitter having control over its user base be a good thing?
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 4 January 2021 22:06 (three years ago) link
so that said user base doesn't engage in fascist shitstorming? and, if you're twitter, because it means your "website" and "business model" are in jeopardy.
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 4 January 2021 22:09 (three years ago) link
jumped 'ship
― scampish inquisition (gyac), Monday, 4 January 2021 22:10 (three years ago) link
online communities without gatekeeping p consistently degrade into trainwrecks and spam, whether or not fascism and incitements to terrorism are involved
― shivers me timber (sic), Monday, 4 January 2021 22:11 (three years ago) link
i would say that "moderation ≠ control" but a mod forced me to post this
― shabbat bloody shabbat (voodoo chili), Monday, 4 January 2021 22:12 (three years ago) link
iirc ilx was itself created as a petri dish to find out what happenshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTS0A9V5OvI
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 4 January 2021 22:12 (three years ago) link
Yeah to me that's a lack of moderation, acting on complaints etc. Different issue from Bean dad going off on one, or ppl going off at him xps
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 4 January 2021 22:14 (three years ago) link
bean dad would want us to moderate ourselves
― shabbat bloody shabbat (voodoo chili), Monday, 4 January 2021 22:15 (three years ago) link
dude is just saying that twitter is broken and everybody knows it; the emergence of "bean dad" is a late stage symptom, not a rosetta stone to explain why/how
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 4 January 2021 22:17 (three years ago) link
i'm bummed that i can't readily find t ewing's thesis about ILX, can somebody help me out here?
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 4 January 2021 22:18 (three years ago) link
There is "guy" on twitter every day in most of its communities xp
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 4 January 2021 22:19 (three years ago) link
If Twitter is broken, that assumes it was ever good or at least better, which is highly questionable.
― Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Monday, 4 January 2021 22:20 (three years ago) link
forks:https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.2501/S1470785308200043
― jaymc, Monday, 4 January 2021 22:23 (three years ago) link
thanks!
ILX threads frequently compare the current state of the community to its earlier days, often unfavourably: the boards now are supposedly less intelligent, or less friendly, or less interesting than they used to be. These threads are rarely conclusive but testify to the level of engagementthe community fosters, and serve as a vent for individual and collective frustrations. They also demonstrate the fact that ILX has evolved a degree of self-awareness – it thinks of itself as having a unique culture.
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 4 January 2021 22:25 (three years ago) link
it thinks of itself as having a unique culture.
ah, lads, 'tis a grand thing to have a unique culture now, isn't it? it fills one's lungs down to their bottom from sheer pride and lightens one's steps all the day long.
― Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Monday, 4 January 2021 22:30 (three years ago) link
All the problems of a couple of ordinary dads in this crazy world dont amount to a tin of beans is essentially what we are saying here
― nob lacks, noirish (darraghmac), Monday, 4 January 2021 22:31 (three years ago) link
wow how did I not know about that thesis
― k3vin k., Monday, 4 January 2021 22:39 (three years ago) link
feel like maybe at some point social media analysis will have moved past "they think of themselves as a community" or "the old one is broken once the new one is ascendant [repeat every 3-5 years]"
― dean bad (map), Monday, 4 January 2021 22:52 (three years ago) link
even the most critical posting abt *ean *ad itt it is a trasparent pretext for typing the words *ean *ad because it fels so good
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 4 January 2021 23:00 (three years ago) link
Holy shit! That thesis is awesome! That should be in the ILX FAQ.
― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 4 January 2021 23:16 (three years ago) link
― dean bad (map), Monday, January 4, 2021 2:52 PM (thirty minutes ago)
it won't because unfortunately every new online social space wrongly thinks of itself as a community, even if it's the redditDiscord of an unreleased video game
― is right unfortunately (silby), Monday, 4 January 2021 23:24 (three years ago) link
holy hell, there's a faq?! Just found it with Google. Where is this even linked in the site?
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 4 January 2021 23:27 (three years ago) link
Tom's conclusion wrt moderation is what made me think of it:
ILX was never designed to be a viable business model or to offer lessons to researchers, so a'business case' drawn from it is necessarily hypothetical. That said, the level of engagement,participation and participant energy it has generated surely has lessons to offer researchers. Thispaper has mostly discussed the effects on content of emergent culture within communities, andso is intended to be largely of use to people already involved with, or considering running, suchcommunities.What, however, is the business case for investing in a long-form community like ILX, whetherfrom a researcher or brand perspective? After all, they require a large amount of investment. Twomajor potential advantages come to mind.1. An ongoing community in which respondents interact, socialise and influence one anotheris likely to create a greater understanding of how ideas and opinions about a brand or topicspread, develop and change. Ongoing communities, in other words, may be invaluable forunderstanding the interaction effects that shape how real-life consumers respond to brands. 9 of 11 4 Oct 2017 11:47:372. In a world where respondents are likely to be increasingly time-poor and hard to find,cultivating and encouraging articulate and interesting research participants is a good longterm investment. A community, with its inevitable build-up of social motivation, is likely toincentivise members to stay in ways that a traditional research panel cannot. In addition,the experience of ILX suggests that a long-form community may work as a powerful meansof insight generation on topics with traditionally low 'talkability'.In conclusion, this paper has tried to show that the problems and virtues of ILX arose from theway a culture emerged within it, as well as from the specific decisions moderators made or hadimposed upon them by technology. Culture emerging within a community is inevitable; theconsequences of that emergence can and should be managed.
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 4 January 2021 23:36 (three years ago) link
t/s: bean dad vs tot mom
― kinder, Monday, 4 January 2021 23:54 (three years ago) link
Dating somebody w/recessive traits like blue eyes when you have dominant traits like brown eyes is rooted in the desire to control them— realhottiepants (@reallyhotpants) January 4, 2021
― Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Monday, 4 January 2021 23:56 (three years ago) link
Writing a thesis on ILX and not mentioning Dom is grounds for expulsion
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 01:02 (three years ago) link
better FP Tom so he stops posting then
― shivers me timber (sic), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 01:59 (three years ago) link
suggesting that the FAQ be updated and linked is one of ILX's oldest traditions
― shivers me timber (sic), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 02:02 (three years ago) link
we should have an ilx wiki, wouldn't that be a bit of fun.
― pplains, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 02:43 (three years ago) link
Would be a good way for me to find out who that Morbs guy is for sure
― “Big” Don Abernathy, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 02:47 (three years ago) link
xp wikilx
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 02:49 (three years ago) link
one day this place will be full of people like me who have no idea where they are or how they got here
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 02:50 (three years ago) link
Join wilx booth
― nob lacks, noirish (darraghmac), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 03:01 (three years ago) link
https://www.ilxor.com/faq.html
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 10:53 (three years ago) link
However: Please do not revive old threads if you have nothing new to add to them. Bumping a thread merely because it makes you laugh, or you wish to bring it to other users' attention, is bad form, generally speaking.
Tripe
― nob lacks, noirish (darraghmac), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 11:26 (three years ago) link
Would ilx fp socrates now
Socrates was the original "Just askin' questions" guy
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 January 2021 17:12 (three years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/P77xI0PwmH— Fuck it, mask on (@JackDexterity) January 9, 2021
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 9 January 2021 15:36 (three years ago) link
who can add me to the ILXOR CUNCE list?
― akm, Saturday, 9 January 2021 21:58 (three years ago) link
classic when centrists are clearly exposed for what they are.
The upside to banning fascists is seeing who complains loudest about losing their precious fashy followers without realizing what’s happening pic.twitter.com/ASVET7UPxD— Slade (@Slade) January 9, 2021
― map, Sunday, 10 January 2021 23:27 (three years ago) link
I looked at Rachel Campos-Duffy’s Twitter looking for lols and ended up reporting her for harassment
― Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Sunday, 10 January 2021 23:48 (three years ago) link
that’ll happen
― mh, Monday, 11 January 2021 00:39 (three years ago) link
If just one of the stupid takes could reference hundreds of twitter employees in open revolt against their employer hosting a far right president. Instead the man who owns a website pretends not to know how websites work. pic.twitter.com/BTgsk0mnbH— libcom.org (@libcomorg) January 9, 2021
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 11 January 2021 11:24 (three years ago) link
because it's morning time and i'm procrastinating, here is a style guide/grammar/twitter/AITA thing that came up overnight for me. it all started with this tweet:
Eric Trump says “his father will leave the presidency with a powerful brand backed by millions of voters who will follow him “to the ends of the Earth”...he created the greatest political movement in American history and his opportunities are endless.” https://t.co/i0ZUBfwxp2— David Begnaud (@DavidBegnaud) January 13, 2021
I didn't think too much of it, but saw a couple people commenting about the "Brand" part of it. Eric Trump apparently said his "father will leave the presidency with a powerful brand". Which was such an asshole thing to say that i had to go read the original article:
NEW YORK (AP) — The PGA canceled its tournament at his golf course. Banks say they won’t lend to him anymore. New York City is looking to end his contract to operate the Central Park skating rink.Hits to President Donald Trump’s business empire since the deadly riots at the U.S. Capitol are part of a liberal “cancel culture,” his son, Eric, told The Associated Press on Tuesday, saying his father will leave the presidency with a powerful brand backed by millions of voters who will follow him “to the ends of the Earth.”SNIP-other things that are boring-SNIP...“You have a man who would get followed to the ends of the Earth by a hundred million Americans,” Eric Trump said. “He created the greatest political movement in American history and his opportunities are endless.”
Hits to President Donald Trump’s business empire since the deadly riots at the U.S. Capitol are part of a liberal “cancel culture,” his son, Eric, told The Associated Press on Tuesday, saying his father will leave the presidency with a powerful brand backed by millions of voters who will follow him “to the ends of the Earth.”
SNIP-other things that are boring-SNIP
...“You have a man who would get followed to the ends of the Earth by a hundred million Americans,” Eric Trump said. “He created the greatest political movement in American history and his opportunities are endless.”
reviewing the article, i noticed that trump never said "brand". he did insinuate that, and it's fair to paraphrase him as talking about the trump brand. but Begnaud put that part in quotes, as if Eric Trump said that. and then, since most people don't read beyond the headline/twitter summary, the part that stood out to them was "brand". lots of this stuff:
"A powerful brand" pic.twitter.com/pwA8cGBbvB— trish (@omerta22PL) January 13, 2021
not a huge deal, but i thought that was misleading, so i put on my most annoying, pedantic, please-go-away-myself voice i could possibly muster, and typed
That's not right. The part you're quoting is not what Eric Trump said, in quotes, in the article. You're quoting him for the part that the writer wrote. I have no doubt that it's materially accurate, I'm just saying - please don't quote things that aren't quotes.— Z_tbd (@weinventyou) January 13, 2021
but THEN it turns out that
He's quoting the writer, not the actual interview. That's standard when retweeting an article to distinguish between what's said in the article from the retweeter's interpretation of what was said. It's a valid quote.— GreenGenii 🍀 (@GreenGenii) January 13, 2021
&
Please read....oh, just ANY style manual, Z_tbd.— Patrick *Black Lives Matter* (@PennGos) January 13, 2021
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so anyway, don't worry i don't care much about this! i was drunk last night and being pedantic, and then this morning i'm seeing these replies and it's more like a question for Grammar Girl or whatever. but i'm just curious, is this how you all use quotes
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:07 (three years ago) link
i just want to go back to the original tweet and underline the parts of it that are direct quotes from Eric Trump:
Eric Trump says “his father will leave the presidency with a powerful brand backed by millions of voters who will follow him “to the ends of the Earth”...he created the greatest political movement in American history and his opportunities are endless.”
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:08 (three years ago) link
and a related question: if this is ok or acceptable (on twitter or elsewhere), how do you delineate which part is the paraphrased part vs the direct quote, if they're both in quotes? i guess just go to the original article and figure it out? maybe that's the twitter compromise
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:11 (three years ago) link
I don't see their point - if he's quote-paraphrasing the writer then the "Eric Trump says" part should be in quotes too to make at least slightly clear the distinction.
― stet, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:14 (three years ago) link
it's bad use of quotes imo
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:18 (three years ago) link
yeah i mean theres rules and whatnot but the point of it all is to be clear which the original tweet clearly isnt
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:23 (three years ago) link
eric trump says "eric trump didnt not say this"
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:24 (three years ago) link