outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

The highest recent daily death number was on the 29 Dec, at 570, not 1000.
I wish the media wasn't so obsessed with the daily reporting date.

I mean, obviously that's still shit, but it's in keeping with the general numbers. We'll surely see a huge rise in a couple of weeks.

sorry, I thought this was the UK thread again

I wish the media wasn't so obsessed with the daily reporting date.

― kinder, Tuesday, 5 January 2021 bookmarkflaglink

My sense is that until literally the week before Xmas was cancelled the daily reporting figures (whatever it's problems) had completely dropped out of the conversation...and that's part of the problem, a responsible government would be saying the trend is going up so maybe locking down earlier and preparing pupils and parents would've been the decent thing.

They have totally fucked this up. Other countries are getting back to normal. Shops open. Schools open. People going to the countryside for their holidays. Fuck this. The Tories need to fucking pay for this. The worst part is obviously the thousands of people who have died or have been left with long-term health issues but nobody appears to care unless it's someone they know. But the knock-on consequences are that EVERYONE is now in the shit. They're not just victims of circumstance here because other countries have gotten out in front of it. I realise I'm not saying anything new here but I am just livid.

When will the fuckheads pay for their idiocy? Brexit? COVID? They can literally leave thousands of people to rot and die and the entire country unable to see their own families and kids can't go to school and we're all like, OK sure, why not, up 2% in the polls!!!???

I'm feeling that rage too
I hate that we're all subject to the decisions of these people

the US truly is the UK's offspring.

This is what unspeakably many have wanted all along.

When will the fuckheads pay for their idiocy? Brexit? COVID? They can literally leave thousands of people to rot and die and the entire country unable to see their own families and kids can't go to school and we're all like, OK sure, why not, up 2% in the polls!!!???

Feeling this lost. I feel like this all the time now

Lost = post

But lost too

the US truly is the UK's offspring.

pretty fly for an anglo guy

I was going to say Bush are the UK's Offspring

I don't know about that.

Yeah needs work. It's hard because the The Offspring are such a singular band.

Nothing is as singular as the sex in your violence.

TS: YEAHYEAHYEAHYEAHYEAH vs yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah

two nations divided by a common language

Brits prefer albumar bands

Anyone else still waiting on the stimulus? I know there was a huge issue with people that filed using TurboTax or H&R Block, but that wasn't us, we got the first one just fine, haven't changed a single bit of information since the last one and still haven't seen anything.

I'm saw the IRS released a statement yesterday that is a little unclear, but essentially says "lol sorry, if you didn't get it yet, you won't so you just have to wait and file it on your taxes". Just surprised the first one seemed to go relatively smoothly, but this round is an absolute cluster.

Old Lunch - 'Still Waiting (2 B Stimulated)'

Stim Mo B There

I mean, again, it's not dire for us, but reading the IRS subreddit is heartbreaking. So many people hanging on a thread already that aren't getting their stimulus because of IRS/HR Block cock-ups and the despair is palpable. People losing apartments, people that aren't eating so they can feed their kids, people openly contemplating suicide.

It's horrible, and it's why it's outright criminal that continued payments weren't made after the original one. $600 is kicking a can down the highway for many family units and NOT getting the $600/each is just that much worse.

really hoping SAnders can exert his might and convince people to support 2k PER MONTH PER PERSON

We're back up to over 1000 deaths a day in the UK, and more people are wearing masks it's true but social distancing has completely disappeared and shops aren't enforcing queueing or restricting numbers of shoppers in their shops. It doesn't feel like 1000 people are dying a day.

There hasn't been a recent day with 1000 deaths in the UK. Highest was 600. It will go up though. April was the approx 1000 daily deaths.

Kinder, the papers are reporting 1,041 deaths, do you have info that says otherwise? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/06/uk-records-1041-more-covid-deaths. And yesterday was 840.

I haven't gotten the stim, and I got mine on schedule last year via direct dep.

Not that I'm happy to hear you and OL are still waiting, but glad I'm not alone.

There hasn't been a recent day with 1000 deaths in the UK. Highest was 600. It will go up though. April was the approx 1000 daily deaths.

― kinder, Wednesday, January 6, 2021 2:08 PM (thirty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

there have been lots of days over 600. there was one day with deaths > 1000 back in april. UK is not over 1000/day right now though.

(this is all using date of death, not date of report)

Some people are compulsive deflators of the numbers.

I'm clearly missing something, because the first figure on that page says "Deaths within 28 days of positive test
Daily 1,041"

Does that number mean something different than all the major news outlets are using it to mean (and how I understand it, based on being a media consumer rather than a medical professional or statistician)

It’s the difference between day of death and day reported. The latter figure, which most of the press focus on, is larger because of reporting lags. The day of death is more accurate but takes longer to come out for the same reason.

(The graphs make it a bit clearer on that page, because they show both unlike the figures at the top)

day reported is more up to date for the last week or two, so better reflects recent changes, but is also much more noisy because weekends, holidays, etc. generally you should ignore day reported unless you really need information about the last few days, and even then you should treat it with skepticism and take care to account for things like the bump that happens every tuesday, etc.

I think we can agree that regardless of the noise and the lags and the weekends and which number you pick we're fucked and it's getting worse.

Sorry, was busy. there's been a reporting lag over Christmas. Reporting date at the moment doesn't tell you much, date of death is the relevant metric, altho obviously there's the question of whether you look at "death within x days of a positive test" or "covid on death certificate", which has a much longer data lag.

I am not trying to downplay - I think the situation is absolutely desperate and I have had a friend die of covid and am still dealing with the fallout - but to be accurate.

Some people are compulsive deflators of the numbers.

― Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Wednesday, January 6, 2021 7:45 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Was this aimed at me?

Yeah, sorry. Just grumpy, and I could tell which posts were yours immediately after anyone discussed numbers.

I've corrected two numbers posted in this thread, both for the same reason, and expressed my frustration at the rather misleading focus the media has in broadcasting the difference between yesterday and today's numbers by report date, as clearly people are misinterpreting them. I would correct them upwards in the opposite situation.
I've been finding keeping track of the data since last Spring has helped me keep a handle on the whole shitshow (to a very limited extent) and to me accuracy and context is important.
The '1 in 30 Londoners had/have it over the last 2 weeks' is sadly accurate according to the ONS data, and possibly more terrifying. I think we will soon be at a point where the NHS can't do any more and deaths will skyrocket.

Apologies again.

No worries, thanks.

I haven’t seen this “London NHS two weeks from being overwhelmed” claim elsewhere but It isn’t hard to believe

https://www.hsj.co.uk/acute-care/exclusive-london-will-be-overwhelmed-by-covid-in-a-fortnight-says-leaked-nhs-england-briefing/7029264.article

on Sky they just had a report about the SA variant which included what sounded like, how do I put this, informed speculation that having had COVID before might only confer a tenth of the immunity against the SA variant than being vaccinated would provide. if that makes sense. which i had not heard before. they said they'd know in 3-4 weeks. the report also included some speculation that the SA variant might be able to evade the vaccine, which is confusing in light of the first speculation. so i may be getting this wrong, or the Sky package may have gotten some of it wrong, or maybe i'm not understanding what was said. and it's speculation still at any rate. but i suddenly felt, as a COVID survivor, a whole lot less lah-di-dah about getting it again.

there can't be any hard data behind that speculation. much too soon.

F’s school had a big outbreak just before Christmas so he had to isolate. We all got symptoms again - not serious, just a lousy headachy/fatigued/bad-stomach day in bed each. So we got (multiple) tests, they all came back clear.

Other parents (who unlike us hadn’t had it before) with similar symptoms were positive.

This is sheer and quite medically ill-informed speculation but it felt like we were fighting it off. Which might make sense if indeed you only have antibodies for a relatively short amount of time and then have to generate different immune responses for a future infection which take time to mount.

Either way, yeah having had it isn’t making me too cocky about walking the plague streets rn

i found a text piece that repeats some of it. it seems i slightly muddled it - it's that 'antibodies' - of any stripe, i guess - have less of an effect on the new variant. what the TV report didn't say, but this piece does, is that this contention is in an un-peer-reviewed preprint. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-single-vaccine-dose-leads-to-greater-risk-from-new-coronavirus-variants-south-african-experts-warn-12180837

Are the capitol police generally effective by their own standards? I kind of thought it was a job like TSA inspector, ie a negligible amount of work with gun and a federal pension. Basically mall cops but with better benefits. Nothing like eg NYPD. Is that wrong?

Wrong thread sorry