Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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Boggling at the Hann article.

Don't even know where to start with that, it reads like a parody and then the accompanying photo just pushes it over the edge.

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 12:26 (three years ago) link

temporary living in a one bedroom flat when you own a spacious London townhouse must be a bit of a bind tbf, maybe he should have had a crowdfunder link at the bottom of the article - help fund for him and family for a weekend in Provence to psychologically recuperate from such an ordeal

calzino, Thursday, 7 January 2021 12:51 (three years ago) link

Just think, they might have had to live near some working class people.

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 12:54 (three years ago) link

that kitchen he's standing in is probably bigger than half the flats I've lived in tbh

boxedjoy, Thursday, 7 January 2021 13:14 (three years ago) link

...then the accompanying photo just pushes it over the edge

Indeed, it's almost as if it supplied by an AI:

epitome of middle class middle aged wankerdom - check
smug expression - check
immaculate kitchen unit and fittings - check
sense of spaciousness - check
rest of house in shot hints at the epitome of guardian lifestyle aspiration - check

Luna Schlosser, Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:10 (three years ago) link

Gotta give the cozy catastrophe soft-left crowd some comfort food, let them believe the world isn't completely going to hell in a handB&Q cart and keep the advertisers happy.

the hold my beer putsch (Matt #2), Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:17 (three years ago) link

The kids – 20 and 16 – couldn’t tolerate how cramped it was; once lockdown loosened even a little, they went to sleep in any house that would let them in.

Was there ever a period since March that it was okay to sleep over in someone else's house??

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:36 (three years ago) link

Nothing to do with being confined with this nitwit for hours at a time.

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:40 (three years ago) link

These fucks live on another planet

lol but this reminds me of last year some actor shared a video of a zoom audition he did where this cunt director (I think confirmed to be Matthew Vaughan which makes sense) didn’t realise he had his mic on and was overheard saying “these poor people, they live in these awful tiny apartments, no space” & the actor told him off & was saying “yeah I know I have a shitty flat, give me the fuckin job so I can get a nice one!”

But the whole time I was watching it I’m like “that’s a shitty flat?!” I swear these ppl should see my place

Yelp for gyros (wins), Thursday, 7 January 2021 14:50 (three years ago) link

OTM... er, apart from the bit about your flat, that I can't comment on.

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:07 (three years ago) link

Even visiting it after hours to check on its progress could be disastrous – such as when I discovered the builders had left a bottle of milk on top of a box of records, but hadn’t secured the lid. This was a box containing my oldest vinyl, the stuff from my teens. Now the records were stained and stank of sour milk. I went through the Discogs website calculating their worth. There was a 12in single from 1987 that had been in near mint condition – an unblemished cover, barely played. It had been worth £120. It wasn’t now.

tenner says it's mbv - strawberry wine

kites aren't fun (NickB), Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:07 (three years ago) link

fucking builders eh???

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:08 (three years ago) link

Reading between the lines, the klutz knocked over a bottle of milk ruining his own records.

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:19 (three years ago) link

Of course it would never have happened with a carton of Oatly.

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:21 (three years ago) link

I was a bit rude towards him on a football league thread and told him to fuck off with his jester hat/face-paint middle class smugness when he used to post here. But give me a break I was young and angry at the time, well maybe 40-41 years old lol!

calzino, Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:21 (three years ago) link

I'm assuming he was a QPR fan judging by the mug he's drinking out of? Or Reading.

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:23 (three years ago) link

From Reading, QPR supporter.

scampopo (suzy), Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:25 (three years ago) link

Even that is annoying.

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:26 (three years ago) link

yeah he was a QPR fan when they got to the final at Wembley, he just didn't post at all during the regular football season though, he saved all his smugness for a Wembley report.

calzino, Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:26 (three years ago) link

Thought the producer was Tr1stram $hapeer0

Was there ever a period since March that it was okay to sleep over in someone else's house??

It's perfectly fine as long as you call it a 'bubble' apparently

kinder, Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:34 (three years ago) link

director, even

kinder, Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:34 (three years ago) link

Bubbles are for people who live alone. In theory this household could form one with someone on their own, but only one person

(Ah ok re director, I saw someone say MV & didn’t question)

(My flat is not shitty, it’s nice! But like a tenth the size of these allegedly tiny ones)

Yelp for gyros (wins), Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:44 (three years ago) link

When I lived in Plumstead and Woolwich in the 90s it broke my heart paying what you could get a 3—4 bedroom house in the North for a squalid pokey bedsit where you share a kitchen with despardos and psychopaths!

calzino, Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:49 (three years ago) link

Bubbles are for people who live alone.

You can have a support bubble if you have a <1yr old child or for various other reasons, and a childcare bubble (where meeting socially is disallowed though this seems like a fine if not meaningless distinction) if you have kids under 14. Not if you have large adult children though.

ledge, Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:50 (three years ago) link

Right, the 16 and 20yos on a sleepover rampage are not having a bubble

Yelp for gyros (wins), Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:59 (three years ago) link

Sorry, I was being a bit facetious with the bubble talk. It's definitely needed but I've seen the term thrown around completely out of context. and some people in my family have had other relatives round on and off all the time (including those with symptoms but didn't realise this meant they should test), don't think they're aware of the bubble concept anyway, and continue to moan about how we're in this mess because of everyone else breaking the rules.

kinder, Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:02 (three years ago) link

Irish film Arracht eschews Brit bashing to tackle famine taboo https://t.co/5JMZAJrzo9

— Rory Carroll (@rorycarroll72) January 9, 2021



Who is that cunt?

Some highlights:
It centres on a fisherman in the west of Ireland who battles to survive when disease ravages potato crops in 1845, plunging the country into a cycle of starvation, misery and emigration that halved the population.

Many in Ireland think the British government’s indifference and bungling amounted to genocide.

The makers of Arracht however have sidestepped explicit politics and finger-pointing. The film depicts the land-owning gentry not as villainous agents of British colonialism but as people with deep ties to local communities.


Still fucking starved or left didn’t they? Surely that makes it worse? I mean, it’s worse when you read accounts of neighbours turning against neighbours during modern events of ethnic cleansing rather than it happening from some remote and detached power?

”I always dislike moustache-twirling bad guys in films,” said Tom Sullivan, the writer and director. “The landlords had intimate relationships with Irish people for generations. I leave it to other people to vilify the Brits.”

Tom, your ancestors didn’t survive the famine so you could drink soup all day.

The film showed the atrocious consequences of authorities who viewed the famine as God’s will or the result of native fecklessness, but it also showed the close bonds between Irish and British people, said the director. “Sometimes we don’t accept our history in an honest way. We’re intrinsically linked to the British and the English. The Brit bashing and the victim thing that is sometimes played out – we need to move beyond that.”

We don’t talk about the atrocities that didn’t happen enough, people!

A reminder: to this day, Ireland remains the only country in Europe with a population lower than it was in the mid-nineteenth century.

scampish inquisition (gyac), Saturday, 9 January 2021 21:44 (three years ago) link

jfc

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 January 2021 21:57 (three years ago) link

jesus

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 January 2021 21:58 (three years ago) link

fucking

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 January 2021 21:58 (three years ago) link

christ

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 January 2021 21:58 (three years ago) link

Coming soon, a movie about how English troops cuddled Gandhi

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 January 2021 21:59 (three years ago) link

The lighter side of colonial violence

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:01 (three years ago) link

yeah of course not blaming Britain's Imperial Parliament for the famine is taboo, in the way that presenting false versions of history should be fucking taboo unless you are a lying piece of shit invested in cleansing the rep of an evil murderous empire.

calzino, Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:04 (three years ago) link

also not blaming Hitler for the deaths of millions of European Jews is another taboo subject

calzino, Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:07 (three years ago) link

Those death camp guards had deep local ties with the people they murdered

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:12 (three years ago) link

well looking at Sullivan's imdb entry shows an undistinguished mediocrity who has done a lot of bad television acting work and directed a few crap movies. Perhaps he needs to be more controversial and start telling it like it is.

calzino, Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:13 (three years ago) link

You can smell the glowing Irish times review already

scampish inquisition (gyac), Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:14 (three years ago) link

Those death camp guards had deep local ties with the people they murdered


Yeah, in some cases neighbours, ex-friends, former colleagues... when your man says that story doesn’t get told enough, he’s right, but not in the way he thinks

scampish inquisition (gyac), Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:15 (three years ago) link

There is that Polish holocaust book called Neighbours that does this the right way!

calzino, Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:17 (three years ago) link

i suspect this is the article more than the film

plax (ico), Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:19 (three years ago) link

the director still seems like a prize twat

calzino, Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:23 (three years ago) link

It’s mostly the article but the director’s statements aren’t great are they

scampish inquisition (gyac), Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:23 (three years ago) link

no. and the most egregious thing in the article, and i cant pinpoint if this is coming from the director or writer as the director's comment is more ambigusous, is the suggestion that landlords had strong ties to the land and the irish people. 50% of irish land during the famine was owned by people who had barely or never even set foot in the country!

I would be interested to know what sources he has that challenge the conventional accounts of tenant landlord relations in ireland during the famine, because the director and the writer both seem to have _some_ information

plax (ico), Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:37 (three years ago) link

Maybe he just thought the lads claiming the rents from London has Irish sounding names

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:38 (three years ago) link

he's probably read one of Tristram Hunt's book about the Empire maybe?

calzino, Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:40 (three years ago) link

xp

Boinedan O'Neill

calzino, Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:43 (three years ago) link

Fuck me my blood pressure must be through the roof after reading that

Fenners' Pen (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 10 January 2021 01:06 (three years ago) link

This guy ssems to know less about Irish history than a Secretary of State for Northern Ireland.

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 January 2021 01:27 (three years ago) link

My dad came from Londonkerry so as a certified Irish expert I can safely that ain't possible!

calzino, Sunday, 10 January 2021 01:29 (three years ago) link


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