Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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Reading between the lines, the klutz knocked over a bottle of milk ruining his own records.

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:19 (three years ago) link

Of course it would never have happened with a carton of Oatly.

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:21 (three years ago) link

I was a bit rude towards him on a football league thread and told him to fuck off with his jester hat/face-paint middle class smugness when he used to post here. But give me a break I was young and angry at the time, well maybe 40-41 years old lol!

calzino, Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:21 (three years ago) link

I'm assuming he was a QPR fan judging by the mug he's drinking out of? Or Reading.

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:23 (three years ago) link

From Reading, QPR supporter.

scampopo (suzy), Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:25 (three years ago) link

Even that is annoying.

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:26 (three years ago) link

yeah he was a QPR fan when they got to the final at Wembley, he just didn't post at all during the regular football season though, he saved all his smugness for a Wembley report.

calzino, Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:26 (three years ago) link

Thought the producer was Tr1stram $hapeer0

Was there ever a period since March that it was okay to sleep over in someone else's house??

It's perfectly fine as long as you call it a 'bubble' apparently

kinder, Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:34 (three years ago) link

director, even

kinder, Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:34 (three years ago) link

Bubbles are for people who live alone. In theory this household could form one with someone on their own, but only one person

(Ah ok re director, I saw someone say MV & didn’t question)

(My flat is not shitty, it’s nice! But like a tenth the size of these allegedly tiny ones)

Yelp for gyros (wins), Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:44 (three years ago) link

When I lived in Plumstead and Woolwich in the 90s it broke my heart paying what you could get a 3—4 bedroom house in the North for a squalid pokey bedsit where you share a kitchen with despardos and psychopaths!

calzino, Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:49 (three years ago) link

Bubbles are for people who live alone.

You can have a support bubble if you have a <1yr old child or for various other reasons, and a childcare bubble (where meeting socially is disallowed though this seems like a fine if not meaningless distinction) if you have kids under 14. Not if you have large adult children though.

ledge, Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:50 (three years ago) link

Right, the 16 and 20yos on a sleepover rampage are not having a bubble

Yelp for gyros (wins), Thursday, 7 January 2021 15:59 (three years ago) link

Sorry, I was being a bit facetious with the bubble talk. It's definitely needed but I've seen the term thrown around completely out of context. and some people in my family have had other relatives round on and off all the time (including those with symptoms but didn't realise this meant they should test), don't think they're aware of the bubble concept anyway, and continue to moan about how we're in this mess because of everyone else breaking the rules.

kinder, Thursday, 7 January 2021 16:02 (three years ago) link

Irish film Arracht eschews Brit bashing to tackle famine taboo https://t.co/5JMZAJrzo9

— Rory Carroll (@rorycarroll72) January 9, 2021



Who is that cunt?

Some highlights:
It centres on a fisherman in the west of Ireland who battles to survive when disease ravages potato crops in 1845, plunging the country into a cycle of starvation, misery and emigration that halved the population.

Many in Ireland think the British government’s indifference and bungling amounted to genocide.

The makers of Arracht however have sidestepped explicit politics and finger-pointing. The film depicts the land-owning gentry not as villainous agents of British colonialism but as people with deep ties to local communities.


Still fucking starved or left didn’t they? Surely that makes it worse? I mean, it’s worse when you read accounts of neighbours turning against neighbours during modern events of ethnic cleansing rather than it happening from some remote and detached power?

”I always dislike moustache-twirling bad guys in films,” said Tom Sullivan, the writer and director. “The landlords had intimate relationships with Irish people for generations. I leave it to other people to vilify the Brits.”

Tom, your ancestors didn’t survive the famine so you could drink soup all day.

The film showed the atrocious consequences of authorities who viewed the famine as God’s will or the result of native fecklessness, but it also showed the close bonds between Irish and British people, said the director. “Sometimes we don’t accept our history in an honest way. We’re intrinsically linked to the British and the English. The Brit bashing and the victim thing that is sometimes played out – we need to move beyond that.”

We don’t talk about the atrocities that didn’t happen enough, people!

A reminder: to this day, Ireland remains the only country in Europe with a population lower than it was in the mid-nineteenth century.

scampish inquisition (gyac), Saturday, 9 January 2021 21:44 (three years ago) link

jfc

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 January 2021 21:57 (three years ago) link

jesus

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 January 2021 21:58 (three years ago) link

fucking

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 January 2021 21:58 (three years ago) link

christ

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 January 2021 21:58 (three years ago) link

Coming soon, a movie about how English troops cuddled Gandhi

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 January 2021 21:59 (three years ago) link

The lighter side of colonial violence

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:01 (three years ago) link

yeah of course not blaming Britain's Imperial Parliament for the famine is taboo, in the way that presenting false versions of history should be fucking taboo unless you are a lying piece of shit invested in cleansing the rep of an evil murderous empire.

calzino, Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:04 (three years ago) link

also not blaming Hitler for the deaths of millions of European Jews is another taboo subject

calzino, Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:07 (three years ago) link

Those death camp guards had deep local ties with the people they murdered

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:12 (three years ago) link

well looking at Sullivan's imdb entry shows an undistinguished mediocrity who has done a lot of bad television acting work and directed a few crap movies. Perhaps he needs to be more controversial and start telling it like it is.

calzino, Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:13 (three years ago) link

You can smell the glowing Irish times review already

scampish inquisition (gyac), Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:14 (three years ago) link

Those death camp guards had deep local ties with the people they murdered


Yeah, in some cases neighbours, ex-friends, former colleagues... when your man says that story doesn’t get told enough, he’s right, but not in the way he thinks

scampish inquisition (gyac), Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:15 (three years ago) link

There is that Polish holocaust book called Neighbours that does this the right way!

calzino, Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:17 (three years ago) link

i suspect this is the article more than the film

plax (ico), Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:19 (three years ago) link

the director still seems like a prize twat

calzino, Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:23 (three years ago) link

It’s mostly the article but the director’s statements aren’t great are they

scampish inquisition (gyac), Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:23 (three years ago) link

no. and the most egregious thing in the article, and i cant pinpoint if this is coming from the director or writer as the director's comment is more ambigusous, is the suggestion that landlords had strong ties to the land and the irish people. 50% of irish land during the famine was owned by people who had barely or never even set foot in the country!

I would be interested to know what sources he has that challenge the conventional accounts of tenant landlord relations in ireland during the famine, because the director and the writer both seem to have _some_ information

plax (ico), Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:37 (three years ago) link

Maybe he just thought the lads claiming the rents from London has Irish sounding names

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:38 (three years ago) link

he's probably read one of Tristram Hunt's book about the Empire maybe?

calzino, Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:40 (three years ago) link

xp

Boinedan O'Neill

calzino, Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:43 (three years ago) link

Fuck me my blood pressure must be through the roof after reading that

Fenners' Pen (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 10 January 2021 01:06 (three years ago) link

This guy ssems to know less about Irish history than a Secretary of State for Northern Ireland.

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 January 2021 01:27 (three years ago) link

My dad came from Londonkerry so as a certified Irish expert I can safely that ain't possible!

calzino, Sunday, 10 January 2021 01:29 (three years ago) link

The British, a great bunch of lads.

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 10 January 2021 01:39 (three years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErVZpVjXcAEmFir?format=jpg&name=medium

calzino, Sunday, 10 January 2021 02:02 (three years ago) link

lol

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Sunday, 10 January 2021 02:04 (three years ago) link

for context he's complaining and talking about a new holocaust memorial in London and the inherent dangers of lessons from the past, more one for the fascist columnists thread but here you have it:

More likely the focus will be on how Britain did not let in enough Jewish refugees in the 1930s. And since no one likes an unhappy ending, it will stress how we have made up for this in the years since by taking in millions of economic migrants from across the third world — something which we must obviously continue to do.

calzino, Sunday, 10 January 2021 02:15 (three years ago) link

Oh so a Nazi

Canon in Deez (silby), Sunday, 10 January 2021 02:17 (three years ago) link

Who, Douglas Murray? Horrible man.

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 January 2021 02:19 (three years ago) link

I like that it features a pic of Dan Snow looking even smugger and more loathsome than he has ever looked, lol the power of nazi culture wars!

calzino, Sunday, 10 January 2021 02:23 (three years ago) link

re the Famine:

I think there ought to be a way between 'moustache-twirling villains' and presenting the UK state favourably.

You could present the UK state very unfavourably while avoiding clichés that don't work dramatically. You could even show some individual Britons quite favourably while still being utterly critical of UK state policy.

So the director bloke has set up a false binary which isn't helpful re: thinking about how best to narrate the Famine (or rather Famines) today.

the pinefox, Sunday, 10 January 2021 10:58 (three years ago) link

I know this is your thing, but seriously, fuck off.

scampish inquisition (gyac), Sunday, 10 January 2021 11:01 (three years ago) link

moustache-twirling villains really has no meaning if administrators of empire don't qualify

why would you need to show britons favourably

as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Sunday, 10 January 2021 12:08 (three years ago) link

"You could even show some individual Britons quite favourably while still being utterly critical of UK state policy."

See what you're saying but most films with a good guy amongst a mess created by the system they are operating under have been mostly bad not good.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 10 January 2021 13:06 (three years ago) link

I think after the deluge of feature films about the famine that depicted the British in a bad light the time had come had obviously for a more balanced approach.

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 January 2021 13:15 (three years ago) link


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