FWIW, in spite of the many ways in which Robert Moses sucked, he had a vision of cars and roads enabling "ordinary people" (albeit probably not poor black and brown ones) to get out of the city and enjoy fresh air and nature. He was semi-populist, but in a very wrongheaded way.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:45 (three years ago) link
*probably*
Maybe you should finish the book, dude.
― Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:54 (three years ago) link
Seriously, there was nothing redeemable about Moses and his idea of enjoying air and nature was to drive through or park in it.
― Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:55 (three years ago) link
The guy never had a drivers' license! Cars are super convenient when you are chauffeured everywhere.
― Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:57 (three years ago) link
Nearly every mile of waterfront in entire Metro area is unusable because this idiot put a road on it.
― Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:59 (three years ago) link
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, January 7, 2021 1:45 PM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Terrible post
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 7 January 2021 18:59 (three years ago) link
You can't drive buses on parkways because Moses intentionally built overpasses low to prevent "ordinary people" from enjoying fresh air and nature.
― Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:01 (three years ago) link
Don't make me post the Sick Of It All song again.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:02 (three years ago) link
"albeit probably not poor black and brown ones" "wrongheaded"
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:02 (three years ago) link
He drove the fucking cross-bronx through the middle of a working class neighborhood of "ordinary people" and refused to move it 1/2 mile to either side to go around said neighborhood even though such alteration would have SAVED money and that neighborhood.
― Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:04 (three years ago) link
He was a populist in the same way that Trump is a populist i.e. actually an absolutist dictator.
― Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:07 (three years ago) link
These are exactly the ways that he sucked, not "despite some ways that he sucked he also did these things." They are the things.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:13 (three years ago) link
we've been hiking in parks upriver and in jersey, been able to visit my parents in the suburbs, and even occasionally further (we went to acadia for our honeymoon). parking has been annoying, but worth the price of freedom.
i am certainly not convinced that i would need a car in a non pandemic situation. it's a different kind of freedom to not have to worry about a car.
― boz conspiracy by toby hus (voodoo chili),
recommendations please
― calstars, Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:28 (three years ago) link
I am actually thinking about a car in the next year-ish timeframe bc my bf lives 2 hrs away and right now I'm depending on his chauffering me around and it would be nice not to be. I rented 2x over the summer for various trips and it was a heady freedom. Still, what Doc Casino said about the common welfare is otm.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:30 (three years ago) link
Also because I'm newly contemplating maybe not being in NYC forever but that's another whole thing and at least several years down the road.
if you're getting a car to use less than once a week and you live in nyc then there are probably cheaper rent/share options just in terms of the $$$ (planet death and opposite side parking notwithstanding).
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:31 (three years ago) link
In the dc area we get suburbanites arguing that “not owning a car is privilege” to argue against any rebalancing of the car vs. other use allocation of space.
― Boring United Methodist Church (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:36 (three years ago) link
100% aware of all that and my post was grossly understated. But just making the point that prior to all that it was pretty hard for the non wealthy of any race to get out of the city. Maybe a better way to put it would be that there was an optimistic view of cars at the tome as personal freedom machines.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:37 (three years ago) link
i mean ... that's true? car culture is a poll tax that only people who can afford to live in the most expensive parts of the most expensive cities in america can choose to avoid paying.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:38 (three years ago) link
(xp)
xxxxp I'm sure you're right, caek! But the rental places are all like 10 miles away so even after I get the rental car back here I still need a ride home. :)
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:38 (three years ago) link
No question doc casinos post is otm. Sometimes we need large scale policy solutions to become our better selves though. It’s always hard to swim upstream.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:38 (three years ago) link
don't they have share cars on the street? xp
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:40 (three years ago) link
How about the Ramapo-Dunderberg trail in Harriman State Park, it's a 10 min walk from the Tuxedo rail station. It's insanely beautiful there, def one of my favorite hikes in the area. There's also an affordable AMC campsite in Harriman with glamping options that will pick you up at Tuxedo station in their shuttle bus. Open to non-members of course.
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:42 (three years ago) link
if i was still in new york i would be into one of these https://electrek.co/2020/05/04/niu-nqi-gts-sport-electric-scooter-launch-usa-america/
it's cheaper than most cargo ebikes!
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:43 (three years ago) link
(ah lol charging. nevertheless!)
I use my scooter lots but of course they're terrible for emissions! And there's a big bridge up here that I can't always safely ride on, with traffic and wind concerns. (I'm in the country mostly these days.)
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:49 (three years ago) link
― calstars, Thursday, January 7, 2021 2:28 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
hudson highlands has bull hill and breakneck ridge, though they can be crowded on nice days. harriman state park is pretty, there's a lake plus a 10-mile trail (ramapo-dunderberg, as deflatormouse mentioned), and another 5-mile trail (plus more, those two are the ones we did, though). there's also bear mountain park, which has some beautiful trails, some more strenuous than others.
all of those are about 90 mins from brooklyn.
― boz conspiracy by toby hus (voodoo chili), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:50 (three years ago) link
man alive why did you even live in the city in the first place
― is right unfortunately (silby), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:53 (three years ago) link
in orbit where are you these days?
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:57 (three years ago) link
Xxp metro-north is obv super convenient to breakneck/bull hill as well
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:57 (three years ago) link
I never really feel like going more than 2 miles from my house in gosh darn Seattle so I can’t fathom where it is you New Yorkers are driving to exactly.
― is right unfortunately (silby), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:58 (three years ago) link
Back and forth between my place in Bk and here: www.facebook.com/VillageOfWalden/
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 7 January 2021 20:12 (three years ago) link
oh cool
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 7 January 2021 21:28 (three years ago) link
― is right unfortunately (silby), Thursday, 7 January 2021 19:53 (one hour ago) link
I mean, it was fun when I was younger, but I wanted to get out for at least the last five years.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 January 2021 21:35 (three years ago) link
The crowds at Breakneck Ridge get kind of crazy because it's so close to the train stop and such a nice hike. Probably less so nowadays. Still, go early in the AM or go on a less than nice day.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 January 2021 21:37 (three years ago) link
― Boring United Methodist Church (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 7 January 2021 21:48 (three years ago) link
i have been running in the middle of the streets lately toward traffic and it definitely ups the adrenaline. hope i don't die! most people give me lots of leeway but every so often there's one crazy who wants to make a point who all but swerves to clip me. haw haw look at that guy running on an empty street so that he doesn't freak people with their kid out by not wearing a mask because he's trying to exercise and still socially distance, think i'll maybe kill him
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Friday, 8 January 2021 02:43 (three years ago) link
Great job
Vaccination lines across NYC are moving slowly. The reason: lots of restrictions about who is eligible and a disorganized delivery system. As a result it's often difficult, to schedule enough people at once to justify opening a vial of vaccine. https://t.co/Z0EcmPP1AZ— Joe Goldstein (@JoeKGoldstein) January 8, 2021
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 8 January 2021 17:01 (three years ago) link
related: Mostly Apolitical Thread for Discussing/Venting our Rational/Irrational COVID-19 Fears and Experiences in 2020
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 8 January 2021 17:46 (three years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/nyregion/andrew-yang-manhattan-apartment-new-york.html‘“Can you imagine trying to have two kids on virtual school in a two-bedroom apartment, and then trying to do work yourself?” Mr. Yang said in the initial interview.’This fucking guy
― calstars, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 12:25 (three years ago) link
Whoops
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 13:54 (three years ago) link
see also De Blasio: I Have Too Much 'Going On' to Ride the Subway to Work
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 15:14 (three years ago) link
Man, that was boneheaded. Honestly if he had just left out the “can you imagine” part it would have been nowhere near as bad. “We have an autistic son and it was becoming very hard to meet his needs in our space while also working full time.”
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 15:29 (three years ago) link
Good point.
― Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 15:34 (three years ago) link
nobody's doing their best communicating right now and everyone's angry is how i break it down to an extent. this will likely be forgotten in a few days but yang is fighting an uphill battle under the best of circumstances and he ran headlong into an inauspicious beginning.
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 15:38 (three years ago) link
de blasio lives in an 8 bedroom villa in park slope iirc
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 15:38 (three years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/nyregion/hudson-yards-suicide-vessel.html
The Vessel, the spiraling staircase at Hudson Yards on Manhattan’s Far West Side, was closed to visitors on Tuesday, a day after a 21-year-old man jumped to his death in the third suicide in less than a year.It was unclear when the 150-foot structure, the vast development’s centerpiece, would reopen to the public. A spokesman for Related Companies, the developer of Hudson Yards, said that the structure was “temporarily closed” and that the firm was consulting with suicide-prevention experts, including psychiatrists, about how to limit the potential for more suicides.The structure was considered a major tourist draw for Hudson Yards, a $25 billion project that is the largest mixed-use private development in U.S. history. After opening to great fanfare in 2019, the development now faces an uncertain future as a result of the pandemic’s effect on everything from tourism to office work. It has been largely empty for months.Visitors and critics had raised concerns that the Vessel’s design could pose safety risks. Audrey Wachs, the former associate editor of The Architect’s Newspaper, wrote in a 2016 critique: “As one climbs up Vessel, the railings stay just above waist height all the way up to the structure’s top, but when you build high, folks will jump.”The community board first contacted Related Companies about taking steps to prevent additional suicides at the structure last year after the first one.“Because the Vessel’s chest-high barrier is all that separates the platform from the edge, the likelihood of a similar, terribly sad loss of life cannot be ignored,” Mr. Kern, the board chairman, wrote in a letter.Mr. Kern said on Tuesday that the board continues to believe that the best way to stave off further suicide attempts is to increase the height of the barrier.“That’s the only thing that’s going to work,” he said.He added that he understood there was hesitation to alter what is considered a work of art, but that should not be a priority now: “After three suicides, at what point does the artistic vision take a back seat to safety?”
It was unclear when the 150-foot structure, the vast development’s centerpiece, would reopen to the public. A spokesman for Related Companies, the developer of Hudson Yards, said that the structure was “temporarily closed” and that the firm was consulting with suicide-prevention experts, including psychiatrists, about how to limit the potential for more suicides.
The structure was considered a major tourist draw for Hudson Yards, a $25 billion project that is the largest mixed-use private development in U.S. history. After opening to great fanfare in 2019, the development now faces an uncertain future as a result of the pandemic’s effect on everything from tourism to office work. It has been largely empty for months.
Visitors and critics had raised concerns that the Vessel’s design could pose safety risks. Audrey Wachs, the former associate editor of The Architect’s Newspaper, wrote in a 2016 critique: “As one climbs up Vessel, the railings stay just above waist height all the way up to the structure’s top, but when you build high, folks will jump.”
The community board first contacted Related Companies about taking steps to prevent additional suicides at the structure last year after the first one.
“Because the Vessel’s chest-high barrier is all that separates the platform from the edge, the likelihood of a similar, terribly sad loss of life cannot be ignored,” Mr. Kern, the board chairman, wrote in a letter.
Mr. Kern said on Tuesday that the board continues to believe that the best way to stave off further suicide attempts is to increase the height of the barrier.
“That’s the only thing that’s going to work,” he said.
He added that he understood there was hesitation to alter what is considered a work of art, but that should not be a priority now: “After three suicides, at what point does the artistic vision take a back seat to safety?”
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 05:10 (three years ago) link
wait why are they consulting psychiatrists about a building other people are jumping off
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 05:15 (three years ago) link
they wanna know how they really feel about it.
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 05:17 (three years ago) link