outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

No idea why ladbible is now a journal of record but the full story is here

https://www.ladbible.com/news/news-man-removed-from-hospital-after-trying-to-discharge-covid-19-patient-20210126

They should absolutely have left that guy go. Like, be my fucking guest (and hope you don't infect anyone else outside your stupid family before you die).

The doctor said: "My main concern is his safety and at the moment you are making him unsafe. He's taken his oxygen off, he's going to die if we don't put it back on."

The patient responded: "No I'm not."

http://i.imgflip.com/1ao41s.jpg

I mean, securing the 200M additional doses is a good thing, but I’m still not hearing any plan on how to address the complete failure in distribution. That appears to be the biggest problem we’re facing.

Also, I’m not sure Trump supporting Republican state leaders are entirely the problem, Illinois has a Democrat for governor that was loudly anti-Trump all along and we are one of the worst states in the country for distribution.

They should absolutely have left that guy go.

that was my first reaction, too. which is probably why the guy in the video is a doctor and i am not!

I mean, as a non essential worker that has no other high risk factors and is under 45, I'll be in the last group (rightly so) and I initially assumed my first jab would be around June of 2022. I've yet to see anything in my state's distribution statistics to disprove that, in fact, since we've actually seen dropping numbers of the doses coming into our state in recent weeks, I'm starting to wonder if that might be overly optimistic.

I mean, securing the 200M additional doses is a good thing, but I’m still not hearing any plan on how to address the complete failure in distribution. That appears to be the biggest problem we’re facing.

Also, I’m not sure Trump supporting Republican state leaders are entirely the problem, Illinois has a Democrat for governor that was loudly anti-Trump all along and we are one of the worst states in the country for distribution.

― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:59 AM (thirty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Florida is doing a better job at vaccine distribution than NY. It hurts to admit this, but it's true.

I think it's hard to imagine we wouldn't have a better vaccination distribution plan by now if we had had Hillary or Biden (or Bernie!) for the last four years. By which I mean any plan, as there wasn't one. At the same time, we have a disjointed system of government and a disjointed private healthcare system and some of the problems are beyond the reach of the federal government. It's not all Trump.

AK is doing great, as far as I can tell. This fall, people kept telling me about an open position at the school I student taught at in Sitka, AK, but I didn't apply because I didn't want to move to Sitka. All the teachers I know there just got their second shot.

larry hogan has been holding weekly press conferences to lie about how great things are going (we are in like 40th place), and said that teachers don't need vaccines to get back into the classroom by march 1.

there is no health "system" in the US, obv, which is the problem. on the other hand, freedom

one of the things that really struck me in a recent podcast I was listening to is that apparently due to the US's lack of a system, we aren't very good at sequencing the genomes of the variants and aren't tracking them very well. The UK is able to do this because of the NHS.

Correct. The only reason there are no “US variants” is because we wouldn’t know if there were.

I've actually suspected for a while now that there are weaker variants in the US. It's anecdotal, but based on the difference between the experience of the handful of people I knew who got COVID early in the pandemic and had really bad experiences compared to the dozen or so recent ones, none of whom have had particularly bad experiences including some in the higher risk age categories.

lol you've even got soft viruses

The stats on virus genome sequencing are here and make interesting reading. Australia and NZ are doing it based on relatively* low case amounts, which make them outliers, Denmark and the UK perhaps more impressive based on the high case numbers (Denmark originating the mink strain). America can breathe easy, I have no doubt ye have a few mutant variants circulating.

America can breathe easy,

Well, hate to quibble, but looking at our stats this morning, I'm not so sure we can say this just yet.

Why, is it bad over there or something?

See for yourself: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-risk-map.html?referringSource=articleShare

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYw_q4tSU48

I was just looking at that NYTimes risk map, it's depressing as fuck.

Guys, I know things are bad in the US, I read and post itt all the time. We could do with fewer people reading past posts and popping off at asides because they’re stressed out though - trust me, we know.

I figured you knew what was going on. Just wanted to post that heat map.

why is the NYT still paywalling that

xps it’s pretty fucking appalling, even outside the horrific death rate there’s a load of people left with lifelong lung and heart damage etc who will never see justice for the Trump admin’s negligence.

Calling it now: the degree of "lifelong lung and heart damage" that we will see from this pandemic is going to be a lot less than the media would have you believe. A lot of shoddy and misleading reporting on that topic.

(citation needed)

xp lol ok

yeah, wtf

We've currently got on any given day in the UK around 4,000 people on ventilators. A third of them could die. Even ignoring the wider hospitalisation and long covid groups I think there's a lot of long term lung damage in the post.

Even if the numbers are overstated (lol come on), that’s a lot of people with long term conditions you’re adding to health systems inadequate to deal with the people with chronic conditions that we already have.

We have maybe eased the pressure with 100k+ in the UK no longer suffering those chronic conditions :(

Calling it now: the degree of "lifelong lung and heart damage" that we will see from this pandemic is going to be a lot less than the media would have you believe. A lot of shoddy and misleading reporting on that topic.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, January 27, 2021 9:03 AM (twenty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

come on man you can keep this to yourself

Yeah, no live posting the onset of brain worms, please.

That’s been his shtick for months, the suburban air is getting to him

They should absolutely have left that guy go.

that was my first reaction, too. which is probably why the guy in the video is a doctor and i am not!

― Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Wednesday, January 27, 2021 9:00 AM (two hours ago)

obviously I wasn't there, but I would say there was a non-zero chance the patient was too altered to make that decision for himself

I mean, as a non essential worker that has no other high risk factors and is under 45, I'll be in the last group (rightly so) and I initially assumed my first jab would be around June of 2022. I've yet to see anything in my state's distribution statistics to disprove that, in fact, since we've actually seen dropping numbers of the doses coming into our state in recent weeks, I'm starting to wonder if that might be overly optimistic.

I hope so, maybe I'm just too focused on my own state's rate so far. I was kind of shocked to learn Illinois still has only vaccinated 1/3rd of their healthcare workers, as of Monday.

That’s probably on the low side nationally but not that low. Seems like lots of people who are eligible now via their jobs are refusing to get vaccinated or postponing it because they don’t want to be in the first cohort.

That’s been his shtick for months, the suburban air is getting to him

yes forgive me for not taking every worst case scenario tabloid hyperbole as gospel

https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/26/long-haulers-dilemma-many-cannot-prove-they-had-covid19/

There is an air of “chronic Lyme” to some coverage of “long COVID” tbf.

August 26 2020 tho.

xp if you read the article and that’s your takeaway rather than this immediately throwing up a load of red flags, idk idk idk

A physician assistant dismissed her concerns once he learned she had tested negative for coronavirus and was not having breathing difficulties, recalled Talkington. He refused to refer her to a cardiologist for her racing heartbeat, gave her pamphlets on anxiety and perimenopause, and advised her to ignore social media posts about post-Covid syndrome, she said.

This is obviously a very personal reaction based on a single incidence, but all this skepticism about lasting damage irritates the shit out of me because my cousin had lasting heart damage and chronic fatigue from fucking mono when he was in high school and died of it a few years later, and all the symptoms I'm hearing about w/long COVID sound exactly like what he had, so I'm just sitting here hoping that all the people with long COVID do eventually recover or learn to live with it and don't just drop dead one day in their home like my cousin did at age 21.

"every worst case scenario tabloid hyperbole"

goalpost shift detected

A physician assistant dismissed her concerns once he learned she had tested negative for coronavirus and was not having breathing difficulties, recalled Talkington. He refused to refer her to a cardiologist for her racing heartbeat, gave her pamphlets on anxiety and perimenopause, and advised her to ignore social media posts about post-Covid syndrome, she said.
― scampish inquisition (gyac), Wednesday, January 27, 2021 12:40 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

Has it ever occurred to you that there are medical conditions other than COVID in this world? Physician's behavior sounds sus at best, but that doesn't mean she had "long covid." She had neither a positive test nor the most common symptom.

I wasn’t referring to covid at all, the section I quoted was wrt to the PA’s refusal to investigate someone who was experiencing various symptoms, especially when they were causing her a lot of distress. It’s not unknown for doctors to dismiss stuff that they shouldn’t, especially with female patients.

I'm going to go ahead and just say that while I have much faith in medicine and science, CFS, fibramyalgia, and chronic lyme are very gendered illnesses, and the medical complex's dismissal of many womens' pain as being "hysterical" or "all in their heads" is super fucked. That doesn't mean that chronic lyme actually exists— as someone who had Lyme infect my knee, which landed me in the hospital on morphine drip for five days when I was a kid, I can attest to undiagnosed Lyme being a fucking nightmare to live through, but there really is little evidence of its existence. What there is some evidence of is that many of the female sufferers of such maladies are survivors of traumatic sexual experiences, especially childhood assault.

See this book for a friend's experience of fibro—