outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

(citation needed)

xp lol ok

yeah, wtf

We've currently got on any given day in the UK around 4,000 people on ventilators. A third of them could die. Even ignoring the wider hospitalisation and long covid groups I think there's a lot of long term lung damage in the post.

Even if the numbers are overstated (lol come on), that’s a lot of people with long term conditions you’re adding to health systems inadequate to deal with the people with chronic conditions that we already have.

We have maybe eased the pressure with 100k+ in the UK no longer suffering those chronic conditions :(

Calling it now: the degree of "lifelong lung and heart damage" that we will see from this pandemic is going to be a lot less than the media would have you believe. A lot of shoddy and misleading reporting on that topic.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, January 27, 2021 9:03 AM (twenty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

come on man you can keep this to yourself

Yeah, no live posting the onset of brain worms, please.

That’s been his shtick for months, the suburban air is getting to him

They should absolutely have left that guy go.

that was my first reaction, too. which is probably why the guy in the video is a doctor and i am not!

― Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Wednesday, January 27, 2021 9:00 AM (two hours ago)

obviously I wasn't there, but I would say there was a non-zero chance the patient was too altered to make that decision for himself

I mean, as a non essential worker that has no other high risk factors and is under 45, I'll be in the last group (rightly so) and I initially assumed my first jab would be around June of 2022. I've yet to see anything in my state's distribution statistics to disprove that, in fact, since we've actually seen dropping numbers of the doses coming into our state in recent weeks, I'm starting to wonder if that might be overly optimistic.

I hope so, maybe I'm just too focused on my own state's rate so far. I was kind of shocked to learn Illinois still has only vaccinated 1/3rd of their healthcare workers, as of Monday.

That’s probably on the low side nationally but not that low. Seems like lots of people who are eligible now via their jobs are refusing to get vaccinated or postponing it because they don’t want to be in the first cohort.

That’s been his shtick for months, the suburban air is getting to him

yes forgive me for not taking every worst case scenario tabloid hyperbole as gospel

https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/26/long-haulers-dilemma-many-cannot-prove-they-had-covid19/

There is an air of “chronic Lyme” to some coverage of “long COVID” tbf.

August 26 2020 tho.

xp if you read the article and that’s your takeaway rather than this immediately throwing up a load of red flags, idk idk idk

A physician assistant dismissed her concerns once he learned she had tested negative for coronavirus and was not having breathing difficulties, recalled Talkington. He refused to refer her to a cardiologist for her racing heartbeat, gave her pamphlets on anxiety and perimenopause, and advised her to ignore social media posts about post-Covid syndrome, she said.

This is obviously a very personal reaction based on a single incidence, but all this skepticism about lasting damage irritates the shit out of me because my cousin had lasting heart damage and chronic fatigue from fucking mono when he was in high school and died of it a few years later, and all the symptoms I'm hearing about w/long COVID sound exactly like what he had, so I'm just sitting here hoping that all the people with long COVID do eventually recover or learn to live with it and don't just drop dead one day in their home like my cousin did at age 21.

"every worst case scenario tabloid hyperbole"

goalpost shift detected

A physician assistant dismissed her concerns once he learned she had tested negative for coronavirus and was not having breathing difficulties, recalled Talkington. He refused to refer her to a cardiologist for her racing heartbeat, gave her pamphlets on anxiety and perimenopause, and advised her to ignore social media posts about post-Covid syndrome, she said.
― scampish inquisition (gyac), Wednesday, January 27, 2021 12:40 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

Has it ever occurred to you that there are medical conditions other than COVID in this world? Physician's behavior sounds sus at best, but that doesn't mean she had "long covid." She had neither a positive test nor the most common symptom.

I wasn’t referring to covid at all, the section I quoted was wrt to the PA’s refusal to investigate someone who was experiencing various symptoms, especially when they were causing her a lot of distress. It’s not unknown for doctors to dismiss stuff that they shouldn’t, especially with female patients.

I'm going to go ahead and just say that while I have much faith in medicine and science, CFS, fibramyalgia, and chronic lyme are very gendered illnesses, and the medical complex's dismissal of many womens' pain as being "hysterical" or "all in their heads" is super fucked. That doesn't mean that chronic lyme actually exists— as someone who had Lyme infect my knee, which landed me in the hospital on morphine drip for five days when I was a kid, I can attest to undiagnosed Lyme being a fucking nightmare to live through, but there really is little evidence of its existence. What there is some evidence of is that many of the female sufferers of such maladies are survivors of traumatic sexual experiences, especially childhood assault.

See this book for a friend's experience of fibro—

"Has it ever occurred to you"

man alive

I'm also going to put out there that there are still physicians working today who think Black people oversell their pain to score free drugs.

Science as savior will never happen because it is still implemented by people, who fucking suck

Yeah, was just thinking that, there’s been a lot of research on bias in medicine and even things like algorithms (which are ofc designed by people and their biases) do it. And how often you get things like this (v upsetting case) happening?

Yeah there's been example after example of missed problems because Black and Asian people (particularly) women) are not listened to by white doctors due to bias about either exaggerated symptoms or high pain thresholds

xp

I hope so, maybe I'm just too focused on my own state's rate so far. I was kind of shocked to learn Illinois still has only vaccinated 1/3rd of their healthcare workers, as of Monday.

― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, January 27, 2021 12:06 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

That’s probably on the low side nationally but not that low. Seems like lots of people who are eligible now via their jobs are refusing to get vaccinated or postponing it because they don’t want to be in the first cohort.

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, January 27, 2021 12:08 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/nursing-homes-vaccine-decline/2021/01/27/22a602f6-5fe2-11eb-afbe-9a11a127d146_story.html

Tredonna Kum, an administrative organizer for 1199 SEIU, which represents nursing home workers in Maryland and D.C., estimated that up to 80 percent of members chose not to be vaccinated during the first wave of clinics.

“One of the surprises in the first three weeks was that in health care and in the nursing homes, there was about a 35 to 50 percent uptake. … We had expected closer to 80 or 90 percent uptake,” Maryland’s acting health secretary Dennis R. Schrader told state lawmakers this week.

so we're fucked as a society based on shared truths, but on the other hand you might not have to wait long to get the vaccine! :-)

vaccination against a contagious disease that kills old people should be a requirement to work in a nursing home, and these people won't (or even if they can't because of allergies or whatever) get vaccinated they need to find another job, because they're literally killing people.

so we're fucked as a society based on shared truths, but on the other hand you might not have to wait long to get the vaccine! :-)

Ha, oddly I don't find that comforting!

It's shocking to see that uptake. We're over 95 percent of over 80s in care homes and the First Minister is facing questions about why it isn't 100!

xxp

people with fibramyalgia have had a very rough time getting the help they need in the UK since the PIP reforms. And I've read multiple reports from people with the condition seething about the dismissive treatment they have got from doctors.

vaccination against a contagious disease that kills old people should be a requirement to work in a nursing home, and these people won't (or even if they can't because of allergies or whatever) get vaccinated they need to find another job, because they're literally killing people.

its nuts, my grandma is in a home and I know some of the workers from various parties I've went to. I know for a fact they're not being careful. I'm afraid they're gonna get my grandma killed, but what can I do?

xp I've been hoping that if nothing else, the huge numbers of people with long covid will make it harder for doctors to ignore post-viral syndromes like POTS and chronic fatigue, and it would be nice if that would extend to conditions like fibro as well.

As someone with chronic migraines, I feel lucky that the medical community at least acknowledges that they exist. It's bad enough having chronic pain as is; I can't imagine having to deal with it without being believed.

My wife's grandmother is in a nursing home and was just vaccinated, and they had a 100% compliance rate for all staff and residents which honestly kind of shocked us based on the local populace.

Then again her cousin's kid who works at different home seems to have no concern about going other states to go to indoor water parks and bars

yeah it's hard for me to see why they can't require the vaccine for nursing home workers -- are there HIPAA issues? Is it just a matter of winding up short-staffed?

it is legally possible, in fact some places have done it, but yeah it's mostly not wanting to piss people off when we need staff as it is. there's also the technical point that the vaccines aren't even FDA approved, just being used under EUA

this is correct imo

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/giving-people-more-freedom-whole-point-vaccines/617829/

yeah that is completely otm

um... nah. i'm gonna stay paranoid AND get my second shot, then maybe relax a bit

p sure by "vaccinated" the article means fully vaccinated

vaccination against a contagious disease that kills old people should be a requirement to work in a nursing home, and these people won't (or even if they can't because of allergies or whatever) get vaccinated they need to find another job, because they're literally killing people.

Generally employers don't want to be in the position of mandating health decisions for their employees, in much the same way that employers would probably rather not be in the health care procurement business, but in both cases the fed government has abdicated a fundamental role leaving the employers to pick up the pieces (poorly and inconsistently).

xp yeah it doesn't mean get your first shot then join a choir and lick subway poles (although i am psyched to do both)

I’m excited to get my second shot then wait three weeks then HUG MY FRIENDS

My real friends know me well enough to know that I don't want a fucking hug.

That’s valid dude

I'm not anti hug, really, but I am not looking forward to the explosion of everyone wanting to hug next year.

i am done with handshakes after this.

you just need a body man standing by with purell, like Tony Hale in veep