outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

Yeah there's been example after example of missed problems because Black and Asian people (particularly) women) are not listened to by white doctors due to bias about either exaggerated symptoms or high pain thresholds

xp

I hope so, maybe I'm just too focused on my own state's rate so far. I was kind of shocked to learn Illinois still has only vaccinated 1/3rd of their healthcare workers, as of Monday.

― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, January 27, 2021 12:06 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

That’s probably on the low side nationally but not that low. Seems like lots of people who are eligible now via their jobs are refusing to get vaccinated or postponing it because they don’t want to be in the first cohort.

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, January 27, 2021 12:08 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/nursing-homes-vaccine-decline/2021/01/27/22a602f6-5fe2-11eb-afbe-9a11a127d146_story.html

Tredonna Kum, an administrative organizer for 1199 SEIU, which represents nursing home workers in Maryland and D.C., estimated that up to 80 percent of members chose not to be vaccinated during the first wave of clinics.

“One of the surprises in the first three weeks was that in health care and in the nursing homes, there was about a 35 to 50 percent uptake. … We had expected closer to 80 or 90 percent uptake,” Maryland’s acting health secretary Dennis R. Schrader told state lawmakers this week.

so we're fucked as a society based on shared truths, but on the other hand you might not have to wait long to get the vaccine! :-)

vaccination against a contagious disease that kills old people should be a requirement to work in a nursing home, and these people won't (or even if they can't because of allergies or whatever) get vaccinated they need to find another job, because they're literally killing people.

so we're fucked as a society based on shared truths, but on the other hand you might not have to wait long to get the vaccine! :-)

Ha, oddly I don't find that comforting!

It's shocking to see that uptake. We're over 95 percent of over 80s in care homes and the First Minister is facing questions about why it isn't 100!

xxp

people with fibramyalgia have had a very rough time getting the help they need in the UK since the PIP reforms. And I've read multiple reports from people with the condition seething about the dismissive treatment they have got from doctors.

vaccination against a contagious disease that kills old people should be a requirement to work in a nursing home, and these people won't (or even if they can't because of allergies or whatever) get vaccinated they need to find another job, because they're literally killing people.

its nuts, my grandma is in a home and I know some of the workers from various parties I've went to. I know for a fact they're not being careful. I'm afraid they're gonna get my grandma killed, but what can I do?

xp I've been hoping that if nothing else, the huge numbers of people with long covid will make it harder for doctors to ignore post-viral syndromes like POTS and chronic fatigue, and it would be nice if that would extend to conditions like fibro as well.

As someone with chronic migraines, I feel lucky that the medical community at least acknowledges that they exist. It's bad enough having chronic pain as is; I can't imagine having to deal with it without being believed.

My wife's grandmother is in a nursing home and was just vaccinated, and they had a 100% compliance rate for all staff and residents which honestly kind of shocked us based on the local populace.

Then again her cousin's kid who works at different home seems to have no concern about going other states to go to indoor water parks and bars

yeah it's hard for me to see why they can't require the vaccine for nursing home workers -- are there HIPAA issues? Is it just a matter of winding up short-staffed?

it is legally possible, in fact some places have done it, but yeah it's mostly not wanting to piss people off when we need staff as it is. there's also the technical point that the vaccines aren't even FDA approved, just being used under EUA

this is correct imo

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/giving-people-more-freedom-whole-point-vaccines/617829/

yeah that is completely otm

um... nah. i'm gonna stay paranoid AND get my second shot, then maybe relax a bit

p sure by "vaccinated" the article means fully vaccinated

vaccination against a contagious disease that kills old people should be a requirement to work in a nursing home, and these people won't (or even if they can't because of allergies or whatever) get vaccinated they need to find another job, because they're literally killing people.

Generally employers don't want to be in the position of mandating health decisions for their employees, in much the same way that employers would probably rather not be in the health care procurement business, but in both cases the fed government has abdicated a fundamental role leaving the employers to pick up the pieces (poorly and inconsistently).

xp yeah it doesn't mean get your first shot then join a choir and lick subway poles (although i am psyched to do both)

I’m excited to get my second shot then wait three weeks then HUG MY FRIENDS

My real friends know me well enough to know that I don't want a fucking hug.

That’s valid dude

I'm not anti hug, really, but I am not looking forward to the explosion of everyone wanting to hug next year.

i am done with handshakes after this.

you just need a body man standing by with purell, like Tony Hale in veep

I would be so happy if the handshake was relegated to the dustbin of history but there is very much a specific type of dude (always men) who just love the ol' handshake and love turning it into some weird ass power move, so I don't think we'll be so lucky.

agreed fuck the handshake

When I graduated high school we all had to walk across the stage and shake hands with the principal, so when the students in my row started walking up there I squirted a very thin coating of cold vaseline into my palm right before getting out of my seat, and the look on the principal's face and watching him frantically wipe his hand on his robe before shaking hands with the next batch of people remains one of my most treasured memories of adolescence.

The amount of men I see not wash their hands in a bathroom, I will never shake hands with anyone

yeah you should just give wannabe handshakers a disgusted look and shake your head slowly.

xpost - haha that's amazing.

yup re: handshakes

“I’ll do it to protect my father and organise a big family weekend get-together,” declares Belgium’s chief scientific adviser.

i... did he really say this? with the implication it's only the elderly who need to worry about covid??

(i mean, i read the article and it doesn't say, and i don't expect you guys to have read the primary belgian literature, so i guess this is both a rhetorical question and irritation at the reporting, which doesn't give a lot of context to its quotes)

how does the vaccine interact with newly infected patients? if someone tests positive and gets the vaccine right away, would they be more likely to just suffer mild symptoms?

I don’t think there are a lot of data on that question, but in that scenario I would not expect the vaccine to do much

Daps can stay IMO

one interesting thing I read about the vaccine is that even if you were unlucky enough to catch Covid anyway it was more likely to be a mild case, that's why I'm curious. or does the flu vaccine work that way as well? I'm not exactly "Doctor Science" here

can’t believe the Lancet publishing this worst case scenario tabloid hyperbole

6-month consequences of #COVID-19 in patients discharged from hospital: a cohort study. Six months after illness onset, 76% (1265 of 1655) reported at least one symptom that persisted, with fatigue or muscle weakness being the most frequent. https://t.co/G7ENUDUeuI

— Patrik Brundin (@BrundinPatrik) January 16, 2021

Xpost - I think that’s mostly how these vaccines work? They don’t necessarily mean you won’t get it (though there is less of a chance) the big thing is that if/when you do they lessen the severity significantly and you won’t get super ill or need hospitalization.

I had my first shot earlier this month and my second is scheduled for March 25th. Can’t for the pole licking.

i have a friend who still has a few persistent symptoms from covid, it’s good to know they’re not lying to themselves or mindlessly consuming tabloid media hyperbole xxp

I have 4 coworkers who have had it. Two now have long Covid. One of those two had it in March and still can’t smell/taste.

Both of them are still ill enough so that they’re working reduced hours.

I think Lily is right when she says upthread it’s not dissimilar to post-viral syndrome too to an extent but that it being more widely acknowledged, understood and hopefully treated is a good thing

otm

Xpost - I think that’s mostly how these vaccines work? They don’t necessarily mean you won’t get it (though there is less of a chance) the big thing is that if/when you do they lessen the severity significantly and you won’t get super ill or need hospitalization.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, January 28, 2021 7:27 AM (twenty-one minutes ago)

this is true, I took froggy's question to mean what would happen if you happened to get covid and the vaccine on the same day, in which case you wouldn't have had time to develop an immune response yet

Ahhhh ok I wasn’t reading it in relation to his question before that. There’s been stories about people that’s happened to but I think Kevin’s right in that they prob don’t have enough data to know if someone who catches it at the same time or right after being vaccinated will have less severe symptoms.

can’t believe the Lancet publishing this worst case scenario tabloid hyperbole

6-month consequences of #COVID-19 in patients discharged from hospital: a cohort study. Six months after illness onset, 76% (1265 of 1655) reported at least one symptom that persisted, with fatigue or muscle weakness being the most frequent. https://t.co/G7ENUDUeuI
— Patrik Brundin (@BrundinPatrik) January 16, 2021
― scampish inquisition (gyac), Thursday, 28 January 2021 10:51 (two hours ago) link

That would be 76% of hospitalized cases, which make up about 3.5% of COVID cases. So about 2.8% of COVID cases. But having fatigue six months after being hospitalized with a severe case of a virus doesn’t necessarily mean you have a permanent disability. Most likely not.

The evidence is more on the side of my argument than not, tbh

Pneumonia also can have long term effects on hospitalized older patients.

O_O