xp I've been hoping that if nothing else, the huge numbers of people with long covid will make it harder for doctors to ignore post-viral syndromes like POTS and chronic fatigue, and it would be nice if that would extend to conditions like fibro as well.
As someone with chronic migraines, I feel lucky that the medical community at least acknowledges that they exist. It's bad enough having chronic pain as is; I can't imagine having to deal with it without being believed.
― Lily Dale, Wednesday, 27 January 2021 18:31 (three years ago) link
My wife's grandmother is in a nursing home and was just vaccinated, and they had a 100% compliance rate for all staff and residents which honestly kind of shocked us based on the local populace.
Then again her cousin's kid who works at different home seems to have no concern about going other states to go to indoor water parks and bars
― joygoat, Wednesday, 27 January 2021 18:37 (three years ago) link
yeah it's hard for me to see why they can't require the vaccine for nursing home workers -- are there HIPAA issues? Is it just a matter of winding up short-staffed?
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 18:41 (three years ago) link
it is legally possible, in fact some places have done it, but yeah it's mostly not wanting to piss people off when we need staff as it is. there's also the technical point that the vaccines aren't even FDA approved, just being used under EUA
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 January 2021 18:43 (three years ago) link
this is correct imo
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/giving-people-more-freedom-whole-point-vaccines/617829/
― đ đđ˘đ¨ (caek), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 18:50 (three years ago) link
yeah that is completely otm
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 18:56 (three years ago) link
um... nah. i'm gonna stay paranoid AND get my second shot, then maybe relax a bit
― Nhex, Wednesday, 27 January 2021 19:00 (three years ago) link
p sure by "vaccinated" the article means fully vaccinated
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 19:09 (three years ago) link
vaccination against a contagious disease that kills old people should be a requirement to work in a nursing home, and these people won't (or even if they can't because of allergies or whatever) get vaccinated they need to find another job, because they're literally killing people.
Generally employers don't want to be in the position of mandating health decisions for their employees, in much the same way that employers would probably rather not be in the health care procurement business, but in both cases the fed government has abdicated a fundamental role leaving the employers to pick up the pieces (poorly and inconsistently).
― Smokahontas and John Spliff (PBKR), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 19:11 (three years ago) link
xp yeah it doesn't mean get your first shot then join a choir and lick subway poles (although i am psyched to do both)
― đ đđ˘đ¨ (caek), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 19:19 (three years ago) link
Iâm excited to get my second shot then wait three weeks then HUG MY FRIENDS
― Canon in Deez (silby), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 19:54 (three years ago) link
My real friends know me well enough to know that I don't want a fucking hug.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 20:01 (three years ago) link
Thatâs valid dude
― Canon in Deez (silby), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 20:01 (three years ago) link
I'm not anti hug, really, but I am not looking forward to the explosion of everyone wanting to hug next year.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 20:02 (three years ago) link
i am done with handshakes after this.
― đ đđ˘đ¨ (caek), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 20:04 (three years ago) link
you just need a body man standing by with purell, like Tony Hale in veep
― Canon in Deez (silby), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 20:06 (three years ago) link
I would be so happy if the handshake was relegated to the dustbin of history but there is very much a specific type of dude (always men) who just love the ol' handshake and love turning it into some weird ass power move, so I don't think we'll be so lucky.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 20:10 (three years ago) link
agreed fuck the handshake
― Nhex, Wednesday, 27 January 2021 20:15 (three years ago) link
When I graduated high school we all had to walk across the stage and shake hands with the principal, so when the students in my row started walking up there I squirted a very thin coating of cold vaseline into my palm right before getting out of my seat, and the look on the principal's face and watching him frantically wipe his hand on his robe before shaking hands with the next batch of people remains one of my most treasured memories of adolescence.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 20:16 (three years ago) link
The amount of men I see not wash their hands in a bathroom, I will never shake hands with anyone
― boxedjoy, Wednesday, 27 January 2021 20:16 (three years ago) link
yeah you should just give wannabe handshakers a disgusted look and shake your head slowly.
― Ăberschadenfreude (sleeve), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 20:16 (three years ago) link
xpost - haha that's amazing.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 20:16 (three years ago) link
yup re: handshakes
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 January 2021 20:16 (three years ago) link
âIâll do it to protect my father and organise a big family weekend get-together,â declares Belgiumâs chief scientific adviser.
i... did he really say this? with the implication it's only the elderly who need to worry about covid??
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 21:44 (three years ago) link
(i mean, i read the article and it doesn't say, and i don't expect you guys to have read the primary belgian literature, so i guess this is both a rhetorical question and irritation at the reporting, which doesn't give a lot of context to its quotes)
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 21:45 (three years ago) link
how does the vaccine interact with newly infected patients? if someone tests positive and gets the vaccine right away, would they be more likely to just suffer mild symptoms?
― frogbs, Thursday, 28 January 2021 05:07 (three years ago) link
I donât think there are a lot of data on that question, but in that scenario I would not expect the vaccine to do much
― k3vin k., Thursday, 28 January 2021 05:11 (three years ago) link
Daps can stay IMO
― Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Thursday, 28 January 2021 05:16 (three years ago) link
one interesting thing I read about the vaccine is that even if you were unlucky enough to catch Covid anyway it was more likely to be a mild case, that's why I'm curious. or does the flu vaccine work that way as well? I'm not exactly "Doctor Science" here
― frogbs, Thursday, 28 January 2021 05:17 (three years ago) link
canât believe the Lancet publishing this worst case scenario tabloid hyperbole
6-month consequences of #COVID-19 in patients discharged from hospital: a cohort study. Six months after illness onset, 76% (1265 of 1655) reported at least one symptom that persisted, with fatigue or muscle weakness being the most frequent. https://t.co/G7ENUDUeuI— Patrik Brundin (@BrundinPatrik) January 16, 2021
― scampish inquisition (gyac), Thursday, 28 January 2021 10:51 (three years ago) link
Xpost - I think thatâs mostly how these vaccines work? They donât necessarily mean you wonât get it (though there is less of a chance) the big thing is that if/when you do they lessen the severity significantly and you wonât get super ill or need hospitalization.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 28 January 2021 12:27 (three years ago) link
I had my first shot earlier this month and my second is scheduled for March 25th. Canât for the pole licking.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 28 January 2021 12:33 (three years ago) link
i have a friend who still has a few persistent symptoms from covid, itâs good to know theyâre not lying to themselves or mindlessly consuming tabloid media hyperbole xxp
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 28 January 2021 12:38 (three years ago) link
I have 4 coworkers who have had it. Two now have long Covid. One of those two had it in March and still canât smell/taste.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 28 January 2021 12:40 (three years ago) link
Both of them are still ill enough so that theyâre working reduced hours.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 28 January 2021 12:41 (three years ago) link
I think Lily is right when she says upthread itâs not dissimilar to post-viral syndrome too to an extent but that it being more widely acknowledged, understood and hopefully treated is a good thing
― scampish inquisition (gyac), Thursday, 28 January 2021 12:43 (three years ago) link
otm
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 28 January 2021 12:46 (three years ago) link
â Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, January 28, 2021 7:27 AM (twenty-one minutes ago)
this is true, I took froggy's question to mean what would happen if you happened to get covid and the vaccine on the same day, in which case you wouldn't have had time to develop an immune response yet
― k3vin k., Thursday, 28 January 2021 12:49 (three years ago) link
Ahhhh ok I wasnât reading it in relation to his question before that. Thereâs been stories about people thatâs happened to but I think Kevinâs right in that they prob donât have enough data to know if someone who catches it at the same time or right after being vaccinated will have less severe symptoms.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, 28 January 2021 12:54 (three years ago) link
6-month consequences of #COVID-19 in patients discharged from hospital: a cohort study. Six months after illness onset, 76% (1265 of 1655) reported at least one symptom that persisted, with fatigue or muscle weakness being the most frequent. https://t.co/G7ENUDUeuIâ Patrik Brundin (@BrundinPatrik) January 16, 2021â scampish inquisition (gyac), Thursday, 28 January 2021 10:51 (two hours ago) link
That would be 76% of hospitalized cases, which make up about 3.5% of COVID cases. So about 2.8% of COVID cases. But having fatigue six months after being hospitalized with a severe case of a virus doesnât necessarily mean you have a permanent disability. Most likely not.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 28 January 2021 13:12 (three years ago) link
The evidence is more on the side of my argument than not, tbh
― scampish inquisition (gyac), Thursday, 28 January 2021 13:14 (three years ago) link
Pneumonia also can have long term effects on hospitalized older patients.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 28 January 2021 13:15 (three years ago) link
O_O
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 28 January 2021 13:18 (three years ago) link
It tends to kill them.
― Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Thursday, 28 January 2021 13:22 (three years ago) link
How is this possibly helping your argument that studies/coverage indicating the same can happen with covid are overstated?
― Smokahontas and John Spliff (PBKR), Thursday, 28 January 2021 13:50 (three years ago) link
canât believe the Lancet publishing this worst case scenario tabloid hyperboleđŚ[6-month consequences of #COVIDđ¸-19 in patients discharged from hospital: a cohort study. Six months after illness onset, 76% (1265 of 1655) reported at least one symptom that persisted, with fatigue or muscle weakness being the most frequent. https://t.co/G7ENUDUeuIđ¸â Patrik Brundin (@BrundinPatrik) January 16, 2021đ¸]đŚ
― badg, Thursday, 28 January 2021 14:02 (three years ago) link
Youâre going to be shocked when I tell you this, badg, but Andrew Wakefield was a doctor.
― scampish inquisition (gyac), Thursday, 28 January 2021 14:09 (three years ago) link
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Coverage is making it sound like COVID is some kind of never before seen monster virus that destroys the lungs and hearts of otherwise healthy people even when they have mild or no symptoms.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 28 January 2021 14:10 (three years ago) link
Youâre right, itâs all a big deal over nothing.
― scampish inquisition (gyac), Thursday, 28 January 2021 14:11 (three years ago) link
I don't understand your end game here, man alive.
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Thursday, 28 January 2021 14:13 (three years ago) link