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pomenitul, Sunday, 31 January 2021 16:01 (three years ago) link

This Harvard medical school article from this week lists the known covid symptoms variously as

What are the symptoms of COVID-19?

Some people infected with the virus have no symptoms. When the virus does cause symptoms, common ones include fever, body ache, dry cough, fatigue, chills, headache, sore throat, loss of appetite, and loss of smell. In some people, COVID-19 causes more severe symptoms like high fever, severe cough, and shortness of breath, which often indicates pneumonia.

People with COVID-19 are also experiencing neurological symptoms, gastrointestinal (GI) symptoms, or both. These may occur with or without respiratory symptoms.

For example, COVID-19 affects brain function in some people. Specific neurological symptoms seen in people with COVID-19 include loss of smell, inability to taste, muscle weakness, tingling or numbness in the hands and feet, dizziness, confusion, delirium, seizures, and stroke.

In addition, some people have gastrointestinal (GI) symptoms, such as loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and abdominal pain or discomfort associated with COVID-19. These symptoms might start before other symptoms such as fever, body ache, and cough. The virus that causes COVID-19 has also been detected in stool, which reinforces the importance of hand washing after every visit to the bathroom and regularly disinfecting bathroom fixtures.


Which is a lot more info than what you’ll see on the NHS page about covid:

Main symptoms

The main symptoms of coronavirus are:

a high temperature – this means you feel hot to touch on your chest or back (you do not need to measure your temperature)

a new, continuous cough – this means coughing a lot for more than an hour, or 3 or more coughing episodes in 24 hours (if you usually have a cough, it may be worse than usual)

a loss or change to your sense of smell or taste – this means you've noticed you cannot smell or taste anything, or things smell or taste different to normal

Most people with coronavirus have at least 1 of these symptoms.


None of this is untrue in an aggregate sense, but it’s interesting that they omitted fatigue. I’ve known people who’ve only had the fatigue and later tested positive, it was always included until they replaced it with loss of smell. Interestingly, the page on treating symptoms at home has a lot about breathlessness.

scampish inquisition (gyac), Sunday, 31 January 2021 16:11 (three years ago) link

my best friend during the first two weeks of her COVID bout said it "hurt to breathe so much she wanted to cry" and basically didn't sleep. also had a stabbing pain one night and her then-b/f almost whisked her to the hospital.

fatigue has definitely been one of the common symptoms mentioned by the few friends I know who had it.

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 January 2021 16:16 (three years ago) link

It's definitely up there with the most common symptoms and I agree that omitting it is strange.

pomenitul, Sunday, 31 January 2021 16:20 (three years ago) link

sometimes I wonder if the bigger benefit of the vaccines = the reduction of severity, if it winds up reducing hospitalizations, long-term effects, deaths, etc. not getting it is even better but it'd also be nice if getting it was a much less significant deal too.

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 January 2021 16:32 (three years ago) link

I think that’s probably true, like if the efficacy fails you then you still benefit from the reduction in severity?

scampish inquisition (gyac), Sunday, 31 January 2021 16:36 (three years ago) link

which is why J&J's vaccine, while some of my friends are viewing it as a failure, I think there's still probably benefit to it even if it's not the preferred of the three in the US so far. if it's a choice between a large part of the population getting J&J or nothing, I'd definitely prefer "J&J".

in other news, my mom got pretty brutal side effects (as expected), yet dad weirdly seems to be acting as if someone gave him cocaine instead. he'd been walking slowly all week, today he's been walking so fast I've been telling him to slow down as he's thwacking his walker into walls.

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 January 2021 16:40 (three years ago) link

The big benefit of vaccines in general (we don’t know if it’s true of these ones yet) is protecting the unvaccinated. They are exponentially (literally!) more powerful than a perfect cure because they do that.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 31 January 2021 16:56 (three years ago) link

There’s a suspicion the NHS list of symptoms is so short because they were struggling with testing capacity early on.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 31 January 2021 16:57 (three years ago) link

xxpost biggest pet peeve rn, friend of mine asks question on FB specifically targeting medical professionals asking questions about the lasting effects of vaccine, what we know and don't, and so far every response has been from non-medical people, usually touting wrong information.

does everybody wanna seem like they know everything, what is the benefit of talking about shit you have no clue about other than getting mentioned in an Aerosmith song

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 January 2021 16:58 (three years ago) link

The big benefit of vaccines in general (we don’t know if it’s true of these ones yet) is protecting the unvaccinated. They are exponentially (literally!) more powerful than a perfect cure because they do that.


Like it’s great that the ones we have are cures because people are selfish and that will get more people vaccinated

But from a public health POV, given the choice between a cure and something that has no benefits for the recipient but means they can’t infect anyone else, you pick the second option every time.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 31 January 2021 17:03 (three years ago) link

Possibly being fatigued doesn't make the NHS shortlist as everyone is fatigued anyway.

new variant (onimo), Sunday, 31 January 2021 17:11 (three years ago) link

This mathematician believes that the vaccine effect in the UK is already showing up in the data

I have updated my analysis of potential vaccine effects in over-80s cases with today’s latest dashboard data. I am increasingly confident that this does show an actual impact of vaccines, for the following reasons: (THREAD) https://t.co/3fFCpNERGr pic.twitter.com/hAgZQWTEnf

— James Ward (@JamesWard73) January 31, 2021

scampish inquisition (gyac), Sunday, 31 January 2021 17:51 (three years ago) link

Just heard, Captain Tom has been hospitalised w/Covid.

I daresay there will be fuller details in every newspaper, prominently displayed.

Mark G, Sunday, 31 January 2021 17:59 (three years ago) link

This mathematician believes that the vaccine effect in the UK is already showing up in the data


But skeptical about a quadratic fit with Microsoft Excel by someone who isn’t an epidemiologist, but it will show up if it hasn’t already. It’s pretty clear in the Israeli data.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 31 January 2021 18:10 (three years ago) link

*bit

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 31 January 2021 18:11 (three years ago) link

welp now dad is pretty down for the count, he can barely stand up on his own power. come to find out mom didn't give him pain reliever cos he didn't say out loud he wasn't feeling good. HE CAN BARELY TALK, mom, and lol he lied about how he was feeling when he was a chatterbox.

but hey, better this than actual COVID!

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 February 2021 00:35 (three years ago) link

yow! Was that the second dose by any chance? I've heard it's rougher than the first. H got the first and she had a sore arm and was a little tired for two days.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 1 February 2021 04:31 (three years ago) link

Yea second. They had similar symptoms to the ones i had after my second stab.

Fortunately neither works anymore so...easy enough to rest

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 February 2021 04:37 (three years ago) link

BREAKING: NYC releases, for first time, data on race/ethnicity of those who have been vaccinated so far.

As feared, reveals picture of profound inequality.

White: 48%
Black: 15%
Latino: 15%
Asian: 11%

We need dramatic action NOW to fix this.

— Mark D. Levine (@MarkLevineNYC) January 31, 2021

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 1 February 2021 05:14 (three years ago) link

These numbers are out of vaccine recipients who provided their race/ethnicity. 40% did not, either because providers didn't ask or the patient declined to say.

— Erin Durkin (@erinmdurkin) January 31, 2021

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 1 February 2021 05:37 (three years ago) link

i knew the UK had overtaken the US in vaccinations (thanks to AZ coming online) but this is better than i realized (congrats to the NHS and logistics people, fuck you to the tories of course):

Astonishing vaccination numbers released today in the UK: the NHS provided a vaccine dose to ≈1.2% of British adults *yesterday* alone. 1 out of every 87 adults got a vaccine dose yesterday! The UK has screwed a lot up, but the vaccination effort so far is a huge accomplishment.

— Brian Klaas (@brianklaas) January 31, 2021

also this is kind of good news (?). we're now not vaccinating more in the US because we don't have more vaccine, which is an improvement over the previous reason (i.e. fucking everything else up)

We are *supply constrained* in the 1.3-1.5M range. Here’s data from CDC showing our DAILY ALLOCATION total has been constrained between 1.0 and 1.7M all month https://t.co/TN6ra7BWrz pic.twitter.com/2dRA9MWwyD

— hk (@hassankhan) January 31, 2021

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 1 February 2021 05:53 (three years ago) link

I want the juice

Canon in Deez (silby), Monday, 1 February 2021 06:35 (three years ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/01/south-african-variant-of-covid-found-in-eight-areas-of-england

Door-to-door testing is being launched after cases of the mutation were found in Hertfordshire, Surrey, Kent, Walsall, Sefton and in the London boroughs of Merton, Haringey and Ealing.

Spent a moment bemoaning the fact that I live in Haringey before realising that the SA variant is probably everywhere else already.

kicked off mumsnet for speaking my mind (Matt #2), Monday, 1 February 2021 18:50 (three years ago) link

This team did yeomen's work for almost a year. Good thread explaining why they're taking a break (short answer: duh, Biden isn't Trump, but they're also noting how they'll keep an eye on things for a little longer to make sure data matches)

Some important news about CTP: After a year of collecting, analyzing, and interpreting COVID-19 data for the United States—and months of preparation for what we’re about to announce—we’re ending our data compilation work on March 7. https://t.co/HtM9c0lwDB

— The COVID Tracking Project (@COVID19Tracking) February 1, 2021

Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:11 (three years ago) link

Related posting:

https://covidtracking.com/analysis-updates/covid-tracking-project-end-march-7

Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:14 (three years ago) link

For those who can read the WSJ, this is eye-opening.

The NFL was slowly discovering something far deeper: a core tenet of Covid-19 transmission wisdom—how to define when individuals are in “close contact”—was just wrong.

The safety of interactions during this global pandemic had been for months measured by a stopwatch and a tape measure. The guidance was that someone had been exposed to the virus if they had been within six feet of an infected person for more than 15 minutes. It was drilled into everyone for so long it became coronavirus gospel.

But that wasn’t proving true during the NFL’s outbreaks. People were testing positive for the virus even though they had spent far less than 15 minutes or weren’t within six feet of an infectious person—and the league had the contact-tracing technology to prove it.

“That was a wake-up call,” said Dr. Allen Sills, the NFL’s chief medical officer. “We had to be more precise in our definition of high-risk close contacts because clearly transmission could occur outside those basic boundaries of time and distance.”

The league’s finding is the critical reason why the NFL got through its regular season playing all 256 games and made it all the way to the upcoming Super Bowl on Feb. 7, between the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Kansas City Chiefs, as scheduled.

And:

The NFL told teams to take meetings virtual, avoid indoor gatherings, even if they were distanced and quit eating together. If someone had done any of these things with a person who subsequently tested positive, they had to be isolated, regardless of how brief their interaction had been.

“It goes back to those four basic things we talked about in the paper with cumulative time, distance, ventilation and masks. If you think about those four factors as being four different quadrants, if you’re failing in two or more of those, then that’s going to become a high risk for a transmission,” Sills said. “I always talked about the big three, which was: meeting, eating and greeting.

this pretty much puts the lie to the idea that indoor dining can really work under any circumstances

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:42 (three years ago) link

Yep. I get that restaurants are still suffering and I wish they were being helped out more by our government, but it's mind-boggling how much everyone is pushing for this (that goes for customers too! I've seen folks on social media, who I'd wrongly assumed to know better, absolutely cheering on the reopening here as if its a major "win").

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:44 (three years ago) link

excerpt from the covid tracking project link ned posted above (bold/italics in original)
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That we were able to carry the data through a full year is a testament to the generosity of the foundations and firms that gave us the resources we needed, to the counsel of our advisory board, to The Atlantic’s support for our highly unusual organization, and above all to the devotion of our contributors. But the work itself—compiling, cleaning, standardizing, and making sense of COVID-19 data from 56 individual states and territories—is properly the work of federal public health agencies. Not only because these efforts are a governmental responsibility—which they are—but because federal teams have access to far more comprehensive data than we do, and can mandate compliance with at least some standards and requirements. We were able to build good working relationships with public health departments in states governed by both Republicans and Democrats, and these relationships helped bring much more data to into public view. But ultimately, the best we could hope to do with unstandardized state data was to build a bridge over the data gaps—and the good news is that we believe we can now see the other side.

very deserving of bold/italic emphasis, i would say. part of the nightmare of the trump admin was things like a group of volunteers having to take on the incredibly complicated but obvious and essential work of TRACKING DATA, just because the federal government couldn't be relied on to provide their essential services with any competence. fucking pathetic. and i know a lot of must have just been suppressed/sabotaged/slept on by trump appointees, or people acting for people acting for acting people acting for acting directors.

but anyway, i'm glad they emphasized that in their message, just to snap us all back to the reality that holy fucking shit, they never should have had to do this in the first place

Karl Malone, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:45 (three years ago) link

The purpose of those hard numbers (six feet, fifteen minutes) was always to give people something concrete and measurable they could visualize and apply. The authorities who provided these guidelines knew they weren't 'magic numbers'. They were a compromise designed to reduce transmission, not guarantee safety.

“That was a wake-up call,” said Dr. Allen Sills, the NFL’s chief medical officer.

They should fire this guy.

Compromise isn't a principle, it's a method (Aimless), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:52 (three years ago) link

into my veins

Israel: We say with caution, the magic has started

Note blue lines, of 60+ years old (first to vaccinate), in the past 2 weeks:

~35% drop in cases
~30% drop in hospitalizations
~20% drop in critically ill

Stronger than in younger people & not seen in previous lockdown

>>> pic.twitter.com/vzYFbVZ98K

— Eran Segal (@segal_eran) February 1, 2021

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 1 February 2021 20:06 (three years ago) link

apparently they've started to send the vaccine to palestinian doctors, but the numbers i've seen so far indicate they've sent somewhere between 2k-5k, which is, uh, not enough.

tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Monday, 1 February 2021 20:17 (three years ago) link

AP says 5,000, WSJ says 2,000 to be clear

https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-israel-coronavirus-pandemic-9cf252d0a19c1e9b1f9079ce8c203d3b

tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Monday, 1 February 2021 20:18 (three years ago) link

As I understand it the PLO is relying on WHO's COVAX project - which has been sidelined by wealthy countries (like Israel) in access to vaccine

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 1 February 2021 22:33 (three years ago) link

PA not PLO FYI. However the PA has its own entirely separate health system. I think it would be the right thing for Israel to provide vaccines to the territories but it wouldn’t be the normal course.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 1 February 2021 23:55 (three years ago) link

Here I go being nice about Russia again (oh wait it’s not me, it’s The Lancet)

BREAKING: Russia’s coronavirus vaccine, Sputnik V, is 91.6 percent effective, according to a peer-reviewed study published today in the medical journal The Lancet.

The data comes from a Phase 3 study of almost 20,000 participants. https://t.co/R3XrbrNmLr

— POLITICOEurope (@POLITICOEurope) February 2, 2021

wangdalf the blight (gyac), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:20 (three years ago) link

Taking comfort in seeing the national daily vaccination rate creep up, at 1.4m per day now.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:23 (three years ago) link

although a bit alarmed to see we have 147 cases of UK variant here in FL in that same article

Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:26 (three years ago) link

(in other news, the folks' side effects from 2nd vaccine are already gone)

Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:27 (three years ago) link

Glad to hear that Neanderthal!

I have to say I'm pretty baffled by seeing which states are stepping up and which states are tripping over themselves. Can't say I ever would have predicted West Virginia to be among the best in the country.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:28 (three years ago) link

Here I go being nice about Russia again (oh wait it’s not me, it’s The Lancet)

It's cool, I approve of this. Carry on.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:29 (three years ago) link

lol otm re: WV

Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:34 (three years ago) link

We Dutch seem to get the short hand of the stick again, having bet on the Janssen vaccine which has only 66% efficacy (idk if that means 1 in 3 will get the rona anyway, or you're 1/3 less protected, or...). Inject Sputnik V into my veins p please yes.

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:40 (three years ago) link

sigue sigue, Sputnik!

The Man, DeLorean (onimo), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:11 (three years ago) link

We Dutch seem to get the short hand of the stick again, having bet on the Janssen vaccine which has only 66% efficacy (idk if that means 1 in 3 will get the rona anyway, or you're 1/3 less protected, or...). Inject Sputnik V into my veins p please yes.


Supposedly this is higher than most flu vaccines?

wangdalf the blight (gyac), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:12 (three years ago) link

Yep.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:16 (three years ago) link

sigue sigue, Sputnik!

― The Man, DeLorean (onimo), Tuesday, February 2, 2021 8:11 AM (seven minutes ago)

Shoot it up

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:20 (three years ago) link


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