This mathematician believes that the vaccine effect in the UK is already showing up in the data
I have updated my analysis of potential vaccine effects in over-80s cases with today’s latest dashboard data. I am increasingly confident that this does show an actual impact of vaccines, for the following reasons: (THREAD) https://t.co/3fFCpNERGr pic.twitter.com/hAgZQWTEnf— James Ward (@JamesWard73) January 31, 2021
― scampish inquisition (gyac), Sunday, 31 January 2021 17:51 (three years ago) link
Just heard, Captain Tom has been hospitalised w/Covid.
I daresay there will be fuller details in every newspaper, prominently displayed.
― Mark G, Sunday, 31 January 2021 17:59 (three years ago) link
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 31 January 2021 18:10 (three years ago) link
*bit
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 31 January 2021 18:11 (three years ago) link
welp now dad is pretty down for the count, he can barely stand up on his own power. come to find out mom didn't give him pain reliever cos he didn't say out loud he wasn't feeling good. HE CAN BARELY TALK, mom, and lol he lied about how he was feeling when he was a chatterbox.
but hey, better this than actual COVID!
― if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 February 2021 00:35 (three years ago) link
yow! Was that the second dose by any chance? I've heard it's rougher than the first. H got the first and she had a sore arm and was a little tired for two days.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 1 February 2021 04:31 (three years ago) link
Yea second. They had similar symptoms to the ones i had after my second stab.
Fortunately neither works anymore so...easy enough to rest
― if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 February 2021 04:37 (three years ago) link
BREAKING: NYC releases, for first time, data on race/ethnicity of those who have been vaccinated so far.As feared, reveals picture of profound inequality. White: 48%Black: 15%Latino: 15%Asian: 11%We need dramatic action NOW to fix this.— Mark D. Levine (@MarkLevineNYC) January 31, 2021
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 1 February 2021 05:14 (three years ago) link
These numbers are out of vaccine recipients who provided their race/ethnicity. 40% did not, either because providers didn't ask or the patient declined to say.— Erin Durkin (@erinmdurkin) January 31, 2021
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 1 February 2021 05:37 (three years ago) link
i knew the UK had overtaken the US in vaccinations (thanks to AZ coming online) but this is better than i realized (congrats to the NHS and logistics people, fuck you to the tories of course):
Astonishing vaccination numbers released today in the UK: the NHS provided a vaccine dose to ≈1.2% of British adults *yesterday* alone. 1 out of every 87 adults got a vaccine dose yesterday! The UK has screwed a lot up, but the vaccination effort so far is a huge accomplishment.— Brian Klaas (@brianklaas) January 31, 2021
also this is kind of good news (?). we're now not vaccinating more in the US because we don't have more vaccine, which is an improvement over the previous reason (i.e. fucking everything else up)
We are *supply constrained* in the 1.3-1.5M range. Here’s data from CDC showing our DAILY ALLOCATION total has been constrained between 1.0 and 1.7M all month https://t.co/TN6ra7BWrz pic.twitter.com/2dRA9MWwyD— hk (@hassankhan) January 31, 2021
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 1 February 2021 05:53 (three years ago) link
I want the juice
― Canon in Deez (silby), Monday, 1 February 2021 06:35 (three years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/01/south-african-variant-of-covid-found-in-eight-areas-of-england
Door-to-door testing is being launched after cases of the mutation were found in Hertfordshire, Surrey, Kent, Walsall, Sefton and in the London boroughs of Merton, Haringey and Ealing.
Spent a moment bemoaning the fact that I live in Haringey before realising that the SA variant is probably everywhere else already.
― kicked off mumsnet for speaking my mind (Matt #2), Monday, 1 February 2021 18:50 (three years ago) link
This team did yeomen's work for almost a year. Good thread explaining why they're taking a break (short answer: duh, Biden isn't Trump, but they're also noting how they'll keep an eye on things for a little longer to make sure data matches)
Some important news about CTP: After a year of collecting, analyzing, and interpreting COVID-19 data for the United States—and months of preparation for what we’re about to announce—we’re ending our data compilation work on March 7. https://t.co/HtM9c0lwDB— The COVID Tracking Project (@COVID19Tracking) February 1, 2021
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:11 (three years ago) link
Related posting:
https://covidtracking.com/analysis-updates/covid-tracking-project-end-march-7
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:14 (three years ago) link
For those who can read the WSJ, this is eye-opening.
The NFL was slowly discovering something far deeper: a core tenet of Covid-19 transmission wisdom—how to define when individuals are in “close contact”—was just wrong.
The safety of interactions during this global pandemic had been for months measured by a stopwatch and a tape measure. The guidance was that someone had been exposed to the virus if they had been within six feet of an infected person for more than 15 minutes. It was drilled into everyone for so long it became coronavirus gospel.
But that wasn’t proving true during the NFL’s outbreaks. People were testing positive for the virus even though they had spent far less than 15 minutes or weren’t within six feet of an infectious person—and the league had the contact-tracing technology to prove it.
“That was a wake-up call,” said Dr. Allen Sills, the NFL’s chief medical officer. “We had to be more precise in our definition of high-risk close contacts because clearly transmission could occur outside those basic boundaries of time and distance.”
The league’s finding is the critical reason why the NFL got through its regular season playing all 256 games and made it all the way to the upcoming Super Bowl on Feb. 7, between the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Kansas City Chiefs, as scheduled.
And:
The NFL told teams to take meetings virtual, avoid indoor gatherings, even if they were distanced and quit eating together. If someone had done any of these things with a person who subsequently tested positive, they had to be isolated, regardless of how brief their interaction had been.
“It goes back to those four basic things we talked about in the paper with cumulative time, distance, ventilation and masks. If you think about those four factors as being four different quadrants, if you’re failing in two or more of those, then that’s going to become a high risk for a transmission,” Sills said. “I always talked about the big three, which was: meeting, eating and greeting.
― meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:32 (three years ago) link
this pretty much puts the lie to the idea that indoor dining can really work under any circumstances
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:42 (three years ago) link
Yep. I get that restaurants are still suffering and I wish they were being helped out more by our government, but it's mind-boggling how much everyone is pushing for this (that goes for customers too! I've seen folks on social media, who I'd wrongly assumed to know better, absolutely cheering on the reopening here as if its a major "win").
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:44 (three years ago) link
excerpt from the covid tracking project link ned posted above (bold/italics in original)--That we were able to carry the data through a full year is a testament to the generosity of the foundations and firms that gave us the resources we needed, to the counsel of our advisory board, to The Atlantic’s support for our highly unusual organization, and above all to the devotion of our contributors. But the work itself—compiling, cleaning, standardizing, and making sense of COVID-19 data from 56 individual states and territories—is properly the work of federal public health agencies. Not only because these efforts are a governmental responsibility—which they are—but because federal teams have access to far more comprehensive data than we do, and can mandate compliance with at least some standards and requirements. We were able to build good working relationships with public health departments in states governed by both Republicans and Democrats, and these relationships helped bring much more data to into public view. But ultimately, the best we could hope to do with unstandardized state data was to build a bridge over the data gaps—and the good news is that we believe we can now see the other side.
very deserving of bold/italic emphasis, i would say. part of the nightmare of the trump admin was things like a group of volunteers having to take on the incredibly complicated but obvious and essential work of TRACKING DATA, just because the federal government couldn't be relied on to provide their essential services with any competence. fucking pathetic. and i know a lot of must have just been suppressed/sabotaged/slept on by trump appointees, or people acting for people acting for acting people acting for acting directors.
but anyway, i'm glad they emphasized that in their message, just to snap us all back to the reality that holy fucking shit, they never should have had to do this in the first place
― Karl Malone, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:45 (three years ago) link
The purpose of those hard numbers (six feet, fifteen minutes) was always to give people something concrete and measurable they could visualize and apply. The authorities who provided these guidelines knew they weren't 'magic numbers'. They were a compromise designed to reduce transmission, not guarantee safety.
“That was a wake-up call,” said Dr. Allen Sills, the NFL’s chief medical officer.
They should fire this guy.
― Compromise isn't a principle, it's a method (Aimless), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:52 (three years ago) link
into my veins
Israel: We say with caution, the magic has startedNote blue lines, of 60+ years old (first to vaccinate), in the past 2 weeks:~35% drop in cases~30% drop in hospitalizations~20% drop in critically illStronger than in younger people & not seen in previous lockdown>>> pic.twitter.com/vzYFbVZ98K— Eran Segal (@segal_eran) February 1, 2021
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 1 February 2021 20:06 (three years ago) link
...but not the Palestinians:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2021-01-28/plight-of-palestinians-reflect-global-vaccination-inequity-un-says
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 1 February 2021 20:11 (three years ago) link
apparently they've started to send the vaccine to palestinian doctors, but the numbers i've seen so far indicate they've sent somewhere between 2k-5k, which is, uh, not enough.
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Monday, 1 February 2021 20:17 (three years ago) link
AP says 5,000, WSJ says 2,000 to be clear
https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-israel-coronavirus-pandemic-9cf252d0a19c1e9b1f9079ce8c203d3b
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Monday, 1 February 2021 20:18 (three years ago) link
As I understand it the PLO is relying on WHO's COVAX project - which has been sidelined by wealthy countries (like Israel) in access to vaccine
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 1 February 2021 22:33 (three years ago) link
PA not PLO FYI. However the PA has its own entirely separate health system. I think it would be the right thing for Israel to provide vaccines to the territories but it wouldn’t be the normal course.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 1 February 2021 23:55 (three years ago) link
Here I go being nice about Russia again (oh wait it’s not me, it’s The Lancet)
BREAKING: Russia’s coronavirus vaccine, Sputnik V, is 91.6 percent effective, according to a peer-reviewed study published today in the medical journal The Lancet. The data comes from a Phase 3 study of almost 20,000 participants. https://t.co/R3XrbrNmLr— POLITICOEurope (@POLITICOEurope) February 2, 2021
― wangdalf the blight (gyac), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:20 (three years ago) link
Taking comfort in seeing the national daily vaccination rate creep up, at 1.4m per day now.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:23 (three years ago) link
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/coronavirus/southern-california-coronavirus/la-county-covid-19-hospitalizations-continue-decline/2514925/
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:25 (three years ago) link
although a bit alarmed to see we have 147 cases of UK variant here in FL in that same article
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:26 (three years ago) link
(in other news, the folks' side effects from 2nd vaccine are already gone)
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:27 (three years ago) link
Glad to hear that Neanderthal!
I have to say I'm pretty baffled by seeing which states are stepping up and which states are tripping over themselves. Can't say I ever would have predicted West Virginia to be among the best in the country.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:28 (three years ago) link
It's cool, I approve of this. Carry on.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:29 (three years ago) link
lol otm re: WV
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:34 (three years ago) link
We Dutch seem to get the short hand of the stick again, having bet on the Janssen vaccine which has only 66% efficacy (idk if that means 1 in 3 will get the rona anyway, or you're 1/3 less protected, or...). Inject Sputnik V into my veins p please yes.
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:40 (three years ago) link
sigue sigue, Sputnik!
― The Man, DeLorean (onimo), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:11 (three years ago) link
― wangdalf the blight (gyac), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:12 (three years ago) link
Yep.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:16 (three years ago) link
sigue sigue, Sputnik!― The Man, DeLorean (onimo), Tuesday, February 2, 2021 8:11 AM (seven minutes ago)
― The Man, DeLorean (onimo), Tuesday, February 2, 2021 8:11 AM (seven minutes ago)
Shoot it up
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:20 (three years ago) link
It may well be, I don't know. I've heard a lot of "experts" explain the efficacy differently, I just don't really know what it means? Does a 95% eff. vaccine protect your for 95%? Does it mean 1 in 20 will get it anyway?
I'm not worried about it, to be honest, it just seems odd to be lower by such a big percentage. I suppose big pharma isn't the industry for solidarity, y'know, helping each other out getting the highest efficacy and then all making the same, best vaccin for everyone.
xp tp gyac
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:20 (three years ago) link
ffs not top, xp!
Ffs I'm posting with 43% of efficacy here, apols
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:21 (three years ago) link
wear gloves when you type or you'll transmit it to us!
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:22 (three years ago) link
It depends what kind of vaccine doesn’t it? Oxford is lower than the two mRNA ones. Either way, it seems fairly clear that it prevents severe illness even if you do get it?
― wangdalf the blight (gyac), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:25 (three years ago) link
xp to Neanderthal *touches face furiously*
I totally think you're right Gyac, and I'm ok with it.
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:29 (three years ago) link
In France, the Haute Autorité de santé just announced that they're not recommending the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine to over-65s due to insufficient data.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:58 (three years ago) link
jelly.gif
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:59 (three years ago) link
Tbf it's true that the data for that age group is inconclusive so far. They're taking a 'wait and see' approach.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:01 (three years ago) link
Not going to do anything for the takeup in France ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― wangdalf the blight (gyac), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:02 (three years ago) link
Other European countries have adopted a similar stance fwiw. I'm very curious to see what will happen in Canada, as it hasn't even been approved here yet.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:03 (three years ago) link
Part of the context is EU beef with AstraZeneca, no? Contractual stuff
― All cars are bad (Euler), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:03 (three years ago) link