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BREAKING: NYC releases, for first time, data on race/ethnicity of those who have been vaccinated so far.

As feared, reveals picture of profound inequality.

White: 48%
Black: 15%
Latino: 15%
Asian: 11%

We need dramatic action NOW to fix this.

— Mark D. Levine (@MarkLevineNYC) January 31, 2021

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 1 February 2021 05:14 (three years ago) link

These numbers are out of vaccine recipients who provided their race/ethnicity. 40% did not, either because providers didn't ask or the patient declined to say.

— Erin Durkin (@erinmdurkin) January 31, 2021

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 1 February 2021 05:37 (three years ago) link

i knew the UK had overtaken the US in vaccinations (thanks to AZ coming online) but this is better than i realized (congrats to the NHS and logistics people, fuck you to the tories of course):

Astonishing vaccination numbers released today in the UK: the NHS provided a vaccine dose to ≈1.2% of British adults *yesterday* alone. 1 out of every 87 adults got a vaccine dose yesterday! The UK has screwed a lot up, but the vaccination effort so far is a huge accomplishment.

— Brian Klaas (@brianklaas) January 31, 2021

also this is kind of good news (?). we're now not vaccinating more in the US because we don't have more vaccine, which is an improvement over the previous reason (i.e. fucking everything else up)

We are *supply constrained* in the 1.3-1.5M range. Here’s data from CDC showing our DAILY ALLOCATION total has been constrained between 1.0 and 1.7M all month https://t.co/TN6ra7BWrz pic.twitter.com/2dRA9MWwyD

— hk (@hassankhan) January 31, 2021

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 1 February 2021 05:53 (three years ago) link

I want the juice

Canon in Deez (silby), Monday, 1 February 2021 06:35 (three years ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/01/south-african-variant-of-covid-found-in-eight-areas-of-england

Door-to-door testing is being launched after cases of the mutation were found in Hertfordshire, Surrey, Kent, Walsall, Sefton and in the London boroughs of Merton, Haringey and Ealing.

Spent a moment bemoaning the fact that I live in Haringey before realising that the SA variant is probably everywhere else already.

kicked off mumsnet for speaking my mind (Matt #2), Monday, 1 February 2021 18:50 (three years ago) link

This team did yeomen's work for almost a year. Good thread explaining why they're taking a break (short answer: duh, Biden isn't Trump, but they're also noting how they'll keep an eye on things for a little longer to make sure data matches)

Some important news about CTP: After a year of collecting, analyzing, and interpreting COVID-19 data for the United States—and months of preparation for what we’re about to announce—we’re ending our data compilation work on March 7. https://t.co/HtM9c0lwDB

— The COVID Tracking Project (@COVID19Tracking) February 1, 2021

Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:11 (three years ago) link

Related posting:

https://covidtracking.com/analysis-updates/covid-tracking-project-end-march-7

Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:14 (three years ago) link

For those who can read the WSJ, this is eye-opening.

The NFL was slowly discovering something far deeper: a core tenet of Covid-19 transmission wisdom—how to define when individuals are in “close contact”—was just wrong.

The safety of interactions during this global pandemic had been for months measured by a stopwatch and a tape measure. The guidance was that someone had been exposed to the virus if they had been within six feet of an infected person for more than 15 minutes. It was drilled into everyone for so long it became coronavirus gospel.

But that wasn’t proving true during the NFL’s outbreaks. People were testing positive for the virus even though they had spent far less than 15 minutes or weren’t within six feet of an infectious person—and the league had the contact-tracing technology to prove it.

“That was a wake-up call,” said Dr. Allen Sills, the NFL’s chief medical officer. “We had to be more precise in our definition of high-risk close contacts because clearly transmission could occur outside those basic boundaries of time and distance.”

The league’s finding is the critical reason why the NFL got through its regular season playing all 256 games and made it all the way to the upcoming Super Bowl on Feb. 7, between the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Kansas City Chiefs, as scheduled.

And:

The NFL told teams to take meetings virtual, avoid indoor gatherings, even if they were distanced and quit eating together. If someone had done any of these things with a person who subsequently tested positive, they had to be isolated, regardless of how brief their interaction had been.

“It goes back to those four basic things we talked about in the paper with cumulative time, distance, ventilation and masks. If you think about those four factors as being four different quadrants, if you’re failing in two or more of those, then that’s going to become a high risk for a transmission,” Sills said. “I always talked about the big three, which was: meeting, eating and greeting.

this pretty much puts the lie to the idea that indoor dining can really work under any circumstances

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:42 (three years ago) link

Yep. I get that restaurants are still suffering and I wish they were being helped out more by our government, but it's mind-boggling how much everyone is pushing for this (that goes for customers too! I've seen folks on social media, who I'd wrongly assumed to know better, absolutely cheering on the reopening here as if its a major "win").

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:44 (three years ago) link

excerpt from the covid tracking project link ned posted above (bold/italics in original)
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That we were able to carry the data through a full year is a testament to the generosity of the foundations and firms that gave us the resources we needed, to the counsel of our advisory board, to The Atlantic’s support for our highly unusual organization, and above all to the devotion of our contributors. But the work itself—compiling, cleaning, standardizing, and making sense of COVID-19 data from 56 individual states and territories—is properly the work of federal public health agencies. Not only because these efforts are a governmental responsibility—which they are—but because federal teams have access to far more comprehensive data than we do, and can mandate compliance with at least some standards and requirements. We were able to build good working relationships with public health departments in states governed by both Republicans and Democrats, and these relationships helped bring much more data to into public view. But ultimately, the best we could hope to do with unstandardized state data was to build a bridge over the data gaps—and the good news is that we believe we can now see the other side.

very deserving of bold/italic emphasis, i would say. part of the nightmare of the trump admin was things like a group of volunteers having to take on the incredibly complicated but obvious and essential work of TRACKING DATA, just because the federal government couldn't be relied on to provide their essential services with any competence. fucking pathetic. and i know a lot of must have just been suppressed/sabotaged/slept on by trump appointees, or people acting for people acting for acting people acting for acting directors.

but anyway, i'm glad they emphasized that in their message, just to snap us all back to the reality that holy fucking shit, they never should have had to do this in the first place

Karl Malone, Monday, 1 February 2021 19:45 (three years ago) link

The purpose of those hard numbers (six feet, fifteen minutes) was always to give people something concrete and measurable they could visualize and apply. The authorities who provided these guidelines knew they weren't 'magic numbers'. They were a compromise designed to reduce transmission, not guarantee safety.

“That was a wake-up call,” said Dr. Allen Sills, the NFL’s chief medical officer.

They should fire this guy.

Compromise isn't a principle, it's a method (Aimless), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:52 (three years ago) link

into my veins

Israel: We say with caution, the magic has started

Note blue lines, of 60+ years old (first to vaccinate), in the past 2 weeks:

~35% drop in cases
~30% drop in hospitalizations
~20% drop in critically ill

Stronger than in younger people & not seen in previous lockdown

>>> pic.twitter.com/vzYFbVZ98K

— Eran Segal (@segal_eran) February 1, 2021

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 1 February 2021 20:06 (three years ago) link

apparently they've started to send the vaccine to palestinian doctors, but the numbers i've seen so far indicate they've sent somewhere between 2k-5k, which is, uh, not enough.

tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Monday, 1 February 2021 20:17 (three years ago) link

AP says 5,000, WSJ says 2,000 to be clear

https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-israel-coronavirus-pandemic-9cf252d0a19c1e9b1f9079ce8c203d3b

tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Monday, 1 February 2021 20:18 (three years ago) link

As I understand it the PLO is relying on WHO's COVAX project - which has been sidelined by wealthy countries (like Israel) in access to vaccine

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 1 February 2021 22:33 (three years ago) link

PA not PLO FYI. However the PA has its own entirely separate health system. I think it would be the right thing for Israel to provide vaccines to the territories but it wouldn’t be the normal course.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 1 February 2021 23:55 (three years ago) link

Here I go being nice about Russia again (oh wait it’s not me, it’s The Lancet)

BREAKING: Russia’s coronavirus vaccine, Sputnik V, is 91.6 percent effective, according to a peer-reviewed study published today in the medical journal The Lancet.

The data comes from a Phase 3 study of almost 20,000 participants. https://t.co/R3XrbrNmLr

— POLITICOEurope (@POLITICOEurope) February 2, 2021

wangdalf the blight (gyac), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:20 (three years ago) link

Taking comfort in seeing the national daily vaccination rate creep up, at 1.4m per day now.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:23 (three years ago) link

although a bit alarmed to see we have 147 cases of UK variant here in FL in that same article

Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:26 (three years ago) link

(in other news, the folks' side effects from 2nd vaccine are already gone)

Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:27 (three years ago) link

Glad to hear that Neanderthal!

I have to say I'm pretty baffled by seeing which states are stepping up and which states are tripping over themselves. Can't say I ever would have predicted West Virginia to be among the best in the country.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:28 (three years ago) link

Here I go being nice about Russia again (oh wait it’s not me, it’s The Lancet)

It's cool, I approve of this. Carry on.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:29 (three years ago) link

lol otm re: WV

Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:34 (three years ago) link

We Dutch seem to get the short hand of the stick again, having bet on the Janssen vaccine which has only 66% efficacy (idk if that means 1 in 3 will get the rona anyway, or you're 1/3 less protected, or...). Inject Sputnik V into my veins p please yes.

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:40 (three years ago) link

sigue sigue, Sputnik!

The Man, DeLorean (onimo), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:11 (three years ago) link

We Dutch seem to get the short hand of the stick again, having bet on the Janssen vaccine which has only 66% efficacy (idk if that means 1 in 3 will get the rona anyway, or you're 1/3 less protected, or...). Inject Sputnik V into my veins p please yes.


Supposedly this is higher than most flu vaccines?

wangdalf the blight (gyac), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:12 (three years ago) link

Yep.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:16 (three years ago) link

sigue sigue, Sputnik!

― The Man, DeLorean (onimo), Tuesday, February 2, 2021 8:11 AM (seven minutes ago)

Shoot it up

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:20 (three years ago) link

It may well be, I don't know. I've heard a lot of "experts" explain the efficacy differently, I just don't really know what it means? Does a 95% eff. vaccine protect your for 95%? Does it mean 1 in 20 will get it anyway?

I'm not worried about it, to be honest, it just seems odd to be lower by such a big percentage. I suppose big pharma isn't the industry for solidarity, y'know, helping each other out getting the highest efficacy and then all making the same, best vaccin for everyone.

xp tp gyac

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:20 (three years ago) link

ffs not top, xp!

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:20 (three years ago) link

Ffs I'm posting with 43% of efficacy here, apols

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:21 (three years ago) link

wear gloves when you type or you'll transmit it to us!

Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:22 (three years ago) link

It depends what kind of vaccine doesn’t it? Oxford is lower than the two mRNA ones. Either way, it seems fairly clear that it prevents severe illness even if you do get it?

wangdalf the blight (gyac), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:25 (three years ago) link

xp to Neanderthal *touches face furiously*

I totally think you're right Gyac, and I'm ok with it.

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:29 (three years ago) link

In France, the Haute Autorité de santé just announced that they're not recommending the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine to over-65s due to insufficient data.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:58 (three years ago) link

jelly.gif

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:59 (three years ago) link

Tbf it's true that the data for that age group is inconclusive so far. They're taking a 'wait and see' approach.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:01 (three years ago) link

Not going to do anything for the takeup in France ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

wangdalf the blight (gyac), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:02 (three years ago) link

Other European countries have adopted a similar stance fwiw. I'm very curious to see what will happen in Canada, as it hasn't even been approved here yet.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:03 (three years ago) link

Part of the context is EU beef with AstraZeneca, no? Contractual stuff

All cars are bad (Euler), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:03 (three years ago) link

Yep. Love it when petty politics and medicine mix.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:04 (three years ago) link

Vaccine efficacy of, say, 90% means that during the course of a placebo-controlled trial, there were 10% as many infections in the vaccine group as in the placebo group. The theory being, if the two groups are similar in all other respects, the same number of infections in the same timeframe would've been observed in both groups. The infections not observed in the treatment group constitute the efficacy.

Canon in Deez (silby), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:05 (three years ago) link

(not an expert!)

Canon in Deez (silby), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:07 (three years ago) link

I thought this was important info:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/01/briefing/vaccination-myanmar-coup-rochester-police.html

Here’s the key fact: All five vaccines with public results have eliminated Covid-19 deaths. They have also drastically reduced hospitalizations. “They’re all good trial results,” Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins University, told me. “It’s great news.”

Many people are instead focusing on relatively minor differences among the vaccine results and wrongly assuming that those differences mean that some vaccines won’t prevent serious illnesses. It’s still too early to be sure, because a few of the vaccine makers have released only a small amount of data. But the available data is very encouraging — including about the vaccines’ effect on the virus’s variants.

“The vaccines are poised to deliver what people so desperately want: an end, however protracted, to this pandemic,” as Julia Marcus of Harvard Medical School recently wrote in The Atlantic.

Why is the public understanding more negative than it should be? Much of the confusion revolves around the meaning of the word “effective.”
What do we care about?

In the official language of research science, a vaccine is typically considered effective only if it prevents people from coming down with any degree of illness. With a disease that’s always or usually horrible, like ebola or rabies, that definition is also the most meaningful one.

But it’s not the most meaningful definition for most coronavirus infections.

Whether you realize it or not, you have almost certainly had a coronavirus. Coronaviruses have been circulating for decades if not centuries, and they’re often mild. The common cold can be a coronavirus. The world isn’t going to eliminate coronaviruses — or this particular one, known as SARS-CoV-2 — anytime soon.

Yet we don’t need to eliminate it for life to return to normal. We instead need to downgrade it from a deadly pandemic to a normal virus. Once that happens, adults can go back to work, and children back to school. Grandparents can nuzzle their grandchildren, and you can meet your friends at a restaurant.

As Dr. Ashish Jha, the dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, told me this weekend: “I don’t actually care about infections. I care about hospitalizations and deaths and long-term complications.”
The data

By those measures, all five of the vaccines — from Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, Novavax and Johnson & Johnson — look extremely good. Of the roughly 75,000 people who have received one of the five in a research trial, not a single person has died from Covid, and only a few people appear to have been hospitalized. None have remained hospitalized 28 days after receiving a shot.

To put that in perspective, it helps to think about what Covid has done so far to a representative group of 75,000 American adults: It has killed roughly 150 of them and sent several hundred more to the hospital. The vaccines reduce those numbers to zero and nearly zero, based on the research trials.

Zero isn’t even the most relevant benchmark. A typical U.S. flu season kills between five and 15 out of every 75,000 adults and hospitalizes more than 100 of them.

I assume you would agree that any vaccine that transforms Covid into something much milder than a typical flu deserves to be called effective. But that is not the scientific definition. When you read that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine was 66 percent effective or that the Novavax vaccine was 89 percent effective, those numbers are referring to the prevention of all illness. They count mild symptoms as a failure.

“In terms of the severe outcomes, which is what we really care about, the news is fantastic,” Dr. Aaron Richterman, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of Pennsylvania, said.
The variants

What about the highly contagious new virus variants that have emerged in Britain, Brazil and South Africa? The South African variant does appear to make the vaccines less effective at eliminating infections.

Fortunately, there is no evidence yet that it increases deaths among vaccinated people. Two of the five vaccines — from Johnson & Johnson and Novavax — have reported some results from South Africa, and none of the people there who received a vaccine died of Covid. “People are still not getting serious illness. They’re still not dying,” Dr. Rebecca Wurtz of the University of Minnesota School of Public Health told me.

The most likely reason, epidemiologists say, is that the vaccines still provide considerable protection against the variant, albeit not quite as much as against the original version. Some protection appears to be enough to turn this coronavirus into a fairly normal disease in the vast majority of cases.

“This variant is clearly making it a little tougher to get the most vigorous response that you would want to have,” Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health, said. “But still, for severe disease, it’s looking really good.”

What would an expert do?

The biggest caveat is the possibility that future data will be less heartening. Johnson & Johnson and Novavax, for example, have issued press releases about their data, but no independent group has yet released an analysis. It will also be important to see much more data about how the vaccines interact with the variants.

But don’t confuse uncertainty with bad news. The available vaccine evidence is nearly as positive as it could conceivably be. And our overly negative interpretation of it is causing real problems.

Some people worry that schools cannot reopen even after teachers are vaccinated. Others are left with the mistaken impression that only the two vaccines with the highest official effectiveness rates — from Moderna and Pfizer — are worth getting.

In truth, so long as the data holds up, any of the five vaccines can save your life.

Last week, Dr. William Schaffner of Vanderbilt University told my colleague Denise Grady about a conversation he had with other experts. During it, they imagined that a close relative had to choose between getting the Johnson & Johnson vaccine now or waiting three weeks to get the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine. “All of us said, ‘Get the one tomorrow,’” Schaffner said. “The virus is bad. You’re risking three more weeks of exposure as opposed to getting protection tomorrow.”

DJI, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:20 (three years ago) link

jvc, i don't know if you read about this, but the reasons WV's vaccine rollout has been so effective is that they didn't contract with the big corporate pharmacies, unlike many other states. as a result, local clinics, traveling clinics, hospitals, and small local pharmacies have been doing the heavy lifting for vaccination...surprise! Big corporate chains and the free market aren't actually good at doing a public health!

The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:22 (three years ago) link

I did actually see that table, still safe to say its an outcome I wouldn't have predicted a year ago. Isn't it partially also because they just don't have as many CVS/Walgreen's as other states?

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:25 (three years ago) link

exactly— those stores couldn't see getting a good ROI in a lot of parts of the state, so they just never brought stores there.

The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 17:26 (three years ago) link


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