yeah I have not being following this in a huge amount of detail, but i am not yet worried about the implications of variants for vaccines.
i am worried about their implications for countries that are failing to vaccinate people because of incompetence or corruption or whatever.
the UK should be fine fwiw
Targets scorecards π― on 2 FebruaryBased on 7-day 1st doses average (399,055):β 15M by 15 Feb (1 day early on 14/02)β 32M by 15 Apr (17 days early on 29/03)β 53M by Sept (123 days early on 21/05)All targets predicted to be achieved ahead of time π#vaccine pic.twitter.com/7G8xJYXooo— UK COVID-19 Vaccine Tracker (@VaccineStatusUK) February 2, 2021
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 22:55 (three years ago) link
FWIW, whatever your views on COVID (or my posts), I have found it very sanity saving to ignore most news that has "might" or "could" in the headline, or that is only based on a single study. If you otherwise have some doomscrolling tendencies, like I do, this can really help counteract those tendencies.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 22:58 (three years ago) link
The vaccines that have been approved now can all be tweaked pretty fast if there are any new variants that evade immune response enough to be a serious concern.
β wangdalf the blight (gyac), Tuesday, February 2, 2021 5:13 PM bookmarkflaglink
yeah and that is also reassuring. part of me is wondering if I'd get the booster as part of my trial or if I'd have to seek it out. same for my folks.
so i'm not shitting...yet.
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 22:59 (three years ago) link
https://www.newyorker.com/science/medical-dispatch/why-are-so-many-health-care-workers-resisting-the-covid-vaccine
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 2 February 2021 23:06 (three years ago) link
xp i think we'll all be getting a booster at some point in the next 12 months.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 23:07 (three years ago) link
Good to see.
Israel: The trend continuesFurther drop in cases (-40%), hospitalizations (-32%), and severely ill (-30%) among 60+ y/o in past 2 weeksStronger than in younger ages (note different axes)Consider this as the pre-preprint. We hope to put out a preprint within the next day pic.twitter.com/5iv92pqaS1— Eran Segal (@segal_eran) February 3, 2021
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 17:50 (three years ago) link
Is it just me or is anti-vaxx discourse also on the wane lately? Good news all around.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 17:54 (three years ago) link
Uh except for
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/anti-lockdown-protesters-shut-down-california-vaccine-site-at-dodgers-stadium/ar-BB1di72b?ocid=uxbndlbing
― champagne heathernova (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 17:56 (three years ago) link
Sorry, guess I wasn't thinking about the US.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 17:58 (three years ago) link
So how would this work assuming most people still don't have their initial vaccination? Would they piggyback the booster (assuming one exists) right when you get the initial shot?
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 18:39 (three years ago) link
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 18:40 (three years ago) link
https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/europe-s-vaccine-disaster-commission-president-ursula-von-der-leyen-seeking-to-duck-responsibility-a-1197547d-6219-4438-9d69-b76e64701802Uk is vaccinating people at five (5!) times the rate of the EU and twice there US, which I would imagine is resulting for cognitive dissonance for anti vaxxers
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 18:44 (three years ago) link
Sure, but even the French have calmed down in this regard. I think increasingly more people are taking in the fact thatβs itβs our only ticket out of this mess.xp
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 18:45 (three years ago) link
Fingers crossed yes
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 18:46 (three years ago) link
Yes France seems to be more hyped about this than I feared.
― All cars are bad (Euler), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 21:03 (three years ago) link
I wonder if the reason youβre not hearing much from anti vaxxers in the uk is that the the uk vaccination effort is a huge success relative to what is by all accounts a disaster in the EU, and anti vaxxers are also brexiters, so theyβre confused about whether to gloat or protest.
They're also confused because they're claiming the vaccines don't work in fighting a pandemic that doesn't exist.
― Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 21:31 (three years ago) link
Interesting piece on battery farming increasing the likelihood of the next pandemic.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210202-Swine-flu-why-influenza-in-pigs-could-cause-another-pandemic
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 21:43 (three years ago) link
Not vaccinating millions of people in Palestine is also probably increasing that likelihood, but you know.
― The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 21:46 (three years ago) link
Yes I know.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 21:47 (three years ago) link
He got shat on for posting about it itt, iirc
― scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 21:56 (three years ago) link
i am once again asking people to wear N95s and KF94s (thread)
My first work exposure to the new variant. Index was laughing and talking unmasked, no surprise that people 3 ft away were infected, but another person was infected on the other side of room. They were always >6ft from index, and was wearing a poor-fitting mask and face shield.— Erin Bromage Ph.D. (@ErinBromage) February 3, 2021
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 22:08 (three years ago) link
Palestine has its own healthcare system that is not under the jurisdiction of Israel. It is negotiating a deal with Astra Zeneca for 2 million doses of vaccine as well as getting another 2 million through COVAX.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 22:10 (three years ago) link
It's hard to find info on this (for me) but I believe Israel ARE vaccinating Palestinians and non-Jews in occupied territories? And it's just the shreds of the West Bank and Gaza that remain within PA control that don't have enough supply? I mean it's scandalous either way, particularly given how difficult Israel has made it to move anything across the various cross-crossing borders.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 22:15 (three years ago) link
i bought a pack of the KF94s for surprisingly affordable rate, my whole family is wearing em now
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 22:23 (three years ago) link
absolute insanity
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/01/27/1016790/covid-vaccine-distribution-us/
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Thursday, 4 February 2021 00:06 (three years ago) link
While much criticism has been directed to federal tech systems during the rollout, it seems they are in fact largely working. Maddox says without Tiberius, things could get far worse. βWe would have to fall back on very old-fashioned ways,β he says. βWe would need a lot more people, and we would need access to systems that would take us some time to recover from, and it would not be integrated.βExperts say the bigger challenge, however, was Trumpβs decision to leave vaccine administration to the states. This put significant strain on local governments, which are often understaffed, have limited technical capabilities, and must deal with outdated tech systems.
Experts say the bigger challenge, however, was Trumpβs decision to leave vaccine administration to the states. This put significant strain on local governments, which are often understaffed, have limited technical capabilities, and must deal with outdated tech systems.
federalism is a bad idea, and states that delegate to counties are making it worse.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Thursday, 4 February 2021 00:09 (three years ago) link
it's kinda sad that for a while, we were being told that there was a significant non-zero possibility that we'd never get an effective vaccine (or if we did, it'd just hit the 50% FDA efficacy threshold), then we got two that greatly exceeded expectations, but the distribution is so fucked....
which wasn't a surprise because loud voices were screaming about how badly distribution was going to go if the Federal government didn't supply an assload of aid to the states to help them distribute it, as well as aptly track where the vaccine was going and how much was everywhere, and of course it didn't happen and here we are.
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 February 2021 00:30 (three years ago) link
Probably worth noting that even with all the flaws in our system, we still have one of the highest vaccination rates of any country so far. Maybe just on account of being a wealthy and powerful country, idk.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 4 February 2021 01:21 (three years ago) link
It has everything to do with the US being rich and powerful.
― The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Thursday, 4 February 2021 03:15 (three years ago) link
yeah that is my sense
― k3vin k., Thursday, 4 February 2021 03:17 (three years ago) link
Weβre like the Yankees in a year in which they spend a ton of money and they still suck, but the money and resources are enough to partly make up for the incompetence
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 February 2021 03:27 (three years ago) link
"a year"
― John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 4 February 2021 03:33 (three years ago) link
you put enough rich monkeys in a room, they'll stab Shakespeare or something idk
― he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 February 2021 03:33 (three years ago) link
so they do that every year, but only in some years does the team still suck. Those are the good years
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 February 2021 03:39 (three years ago) link
oh the way the Yankees played
― he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 February 2021 03:40 (three years ago) link
U.S.A.: The Giancarlo Stanton Years
― John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 4 February 2021 03:44 (three years ago) link
more like the Todd Van Poppel years
― he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 February 2021 03:46 (three years ago) link
Too soon. Those five Todd Van Poppel cards I had were supposed to pay for my college, man.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 4 February 2021 03:49 (three years ago) link
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:09 (three years ago) link
I stan for https://www.protectly.co/
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:29 (three years ago) link
that's right
https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/04/johnson-johnson-submits-application-for-covid-19-vaccine-to-fda/
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Thursday, 4 February 2021 23:48 (three years ago) link
Looking good!
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 February 2021 23:59 (three years ago) link
57% effective against a growing strain seems on the low side.
― The Man DeLorean (onimo), Friday, 5 February 2021 00:03 (three years ago) link
yes but it's a larger number than 0.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 5 February 2021 00:16 (three years ago) link
The 100% against hospitalization/death seems key.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 February 2021 00:25 (three years ago) link
As long as the side effects are within acceptable boundaries, I'm all for throwing every vaccine into the mix if it can help eliminate deaths & hospitalizations. My guess is that COVID19 is almost certain to become endemic, but that's something we can live with. If we can drive down the numbers from a full blown pandemic with a half million deaths in a year to levels more typical for influenza that's a huge win.
― Compromise isn't a principle, it's a method (Aimless), Friday, 5 February 2021 01:42 (three years ago) link
If you need a mood boost
Feeling pessimistic about COVID & 2021? Don't!I'm not. Here's whyWe'll likely have about 400M doses of Moderna/Pfizer by end of JuneEnough to vaccinate 80% of adultsAnd that means a much better summerOf course, we'll likely also have J&J, AZ, NovavaxShort thread— Ashish K. Jha, MD, MPH (@ashishkjha) February 5, 2021
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 February 2021 16:01 (three years ago) link
That is definitely promising news, but...
And I'm genuinely not trying to rain on the parade here, though I know I've been despairing in the past, but I'm just not seeing that this addresses the problem with getting the shots into arms. Some states are succeeding at this, others aren't even close. What I'm hearing from our local officials is that the distribution still isn't working right, so it feels like until those get addressed, it doesn't matter how many millions of doses are sitting somewhere.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 5 February 2021 16:08 (three years ago) link
Good thing we have from Feb to June to sort it out then
― a (waterface), Friday, 5 February 2021 16:11 (three years ago) link
avg daily doses administered has tripled over the course of the past month in the US
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 5 February 2021 16:14 (three years ago) link