outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

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https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/europe-s-vaccine-disaster-commission-president-ursula-von-der-leyen-seeking-to-duck-responsibility-a-1197547d-6219-4438-9d69-b76e64701802

Uk is vaccinating people at five (5!) times the rate of the EU and twice there US, which I would imagine is resulting for cognitive dissonance for anti vaxxers

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 18:44 (three years ago) link

Sure, but even the French have calmed down in this regard. I think increasingly more people are taking in the fact that’s it’s our only ticket out of this mess.

xp

pomenitul, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 18:45 (three years ago) link

Fingers crossed yes

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 18:46 (three years ago) link

Yes France seems to be more hyped about this than I feared.

All cars are bad (Euler), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 21:03 (three years ago) link

I wonder if the reason you’re not hearing much from anti vaxxers in the uk is that the the uk vaccination effort is a huge success relative to what is by all accounts a disaster in the EU, and anti vaxxers are also brexiters, so they’re confused about whether to gloat or protest.

They're also confused because they're claiming the vaccines don't work in fighting a pandemic that doesn't exist.

Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 21:31 (three years ago) link

Interesting piece on battery farming increasing the likelihood of the next pandemic.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210202-Swine-flu-why-influenza-in-pigs-could-cause-another-pandemic

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 21:43 (three years ago) link

Not vaccinating millions of people in Palestine is also probably increasing that likelihood, but you know.

The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 21:46 (three years ago) link

Yes I know.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 21:47 (three years ago) link

He got shat on for posting about it itt, iirc

scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 21:56 (three years ago) link

i am once again asking people to wear N95s and KF94s (thread)

My first work exposure to the new variant. Index was laughing and talking unmasked, no surprise that people 3 ft away were infected, but another person was infected on the other side of room. They were always >6ft from index, and was wearing a poor-fitting mask and face shield.

— Erin Bromage Ph.D. (@ErinBromage) February 3, 2021

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 22:08 (three years ago) link

Palestine has its own healthcare system that is not under the jurisdiction of Israel. It is negotiating a deal with Astra Zeneca for 2 million doses of vaccine as well as getting another 2 million through COVAX.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 22:10 (three years ago) link

It's hard to find info on this (for me) but I believe Israel ARE vaccinating Palestinians and non-Jews in occupied territories? And it's just the shreds of the West Bank and Gaza that remain within PA control that don't have enough supply? I mean it's scandalous either way, particularly given how difficult Israel has made it to move anything across the various cross-crossing borders.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 22:15 (three years ago) link

i bought a pack of the KF94s for surprisingly affordable rate, my whole family is wearing em now

Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 22:23 (three years ago) link

While much criticism has been directed to federal tech systems during the rollout, it seems they are in fact largely working. Maddox says without Tiberius, things could get far worse. “We would have to fall back on very old-fashioned ways,” he says. “We would need a lot more people, and we would need access to systems that would take us some time to recover from, and it would not be integrated.”

Experts say the bigger challenge, however, was Trump’s decision to leave vaccine administration to the states. This put significant strain on local governments, which are often understaffed, have limited technical capabilities, and must deal with outdated tech systems.

federalism is a bad idea, and states that delegate to counties are making it worse.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 4 February 2021 00:09 (three years ago) link

it's kinda sad that for a while, we were being told that there was a significant non-zero possibility that we'd never get an effective vaccine (or if we did, it'd just hit the 50% FDA efficacy threshold), then we got two that greatly exceeded expectations, but the distribution is so fucked....

which wasn't a surprise because loud voices were screaming about how badly distribution was going to go if the Federal government didn't supply an assload of aid to the states to help them distribute it, as well as aptly track where the vaccine was going and how much was everywhere, and of course it didn't happen and here we are.

Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 February 2021 00:30 (three years ago) link

Probably worth noting that even with all the flaws in our system, we still have one of the highest vaccination rates of any country so far. Maybe just on account of being a wealthy and powerful country, idk.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 4 February 2021 01:21 (three years ago) link

It has everything to do with the US being rich and powerful.

The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Thursday, 4 February 2021 03:15 (three years ago) link

yeah that is my sense

k3vin k., Thursday, 4 February 2021 03:17 (three years ago) link

We’re like the Yankees in a year in which they spend a ton of money and they still suck, but the money and resources are enough to partly make up for the incompetence

Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 February 2021 03:27 (three years ago) link

"a year"

John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 4 February 2021 03:33 (three years ago) link

you put enough rich monkeys in a room, they'll stab Shakespeare or something idk

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 February 2021 03:33 (three years ago) link

so they do that every year, but only in some years does the team still suck. Those are the good years

Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 February 2021 03:39 (three years ago) link

oh the way the Yankees played

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 February 2021 03:40 (three years ago) link

U.S.A.: The Giancarlo Stanton Years

John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 4 February 2021 03:44 (three years ago) link

more like the Todd Van Poppel years

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 February 2021 03:46 (three years ago) link

Too soon. Those five Todd Van Poppel cards I had were supposed to pay for my college, man.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 4 February 2021 03:49 (three years ago) link

i bought a pack of the KF94s for surprisingly affordable rate, my whole family is wearing em now

link plz?

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:09 (three years ago) link

I stan for https://www.protectly.co/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:29 (three years ago) link

Looking good!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 February 2021 23:59 (three years ago) link

57% effective against a growing strain seems on the low side.

The Man DeLorean (onimo), Friday, 5 February 2021 00:03 (three years ago) link

yes but it's a larger number than 0.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 5 February 2021 00:16 (three years ago) link

The 100% against hospitalization/death seems key.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 February 2021 00:25 (three years ago) link

As long as the side effects are within acceptable boundaries, I'm all for throwing every vaccine into the mix if it can help eliminate deaths & hospitalizations. My guess is that COVID19 is almost certain to become endemic, but that's something we can live with. If we can drive down the numbers from a full blown pandemic with a half million deaths in a year to levels more typical for influenza that's a huge win.

Compromise isn't a principle, it's a method (Aimless), Friday, 5 February 2021 01:42 (three years ago) link

If you need a mood boost

Feeling pessimistic about COVID & 2021?

Don't!

I'm not. Here's why

We'll likely have about 400M doses of Moderna/Pfizer by end of June

Enough to vaccinate 80% of adults

And that means a much better summer

Of course, we'll likely also have J&J, AZ, Novavax

Short thread

— Ashish K. Jha, MD, MPH (@ashishkjha) February 5, 2021

Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 February 2021 16:01 (three years ago) link

That is definitely promising news, but...

And I'm genuinely not trying to rain on the parade here, though I know I've been despairing in the past, but I'm just not seeing that this addresses the problem with getting the shots into arms. Some states are succeeding at this, others aren't even close. What I'm hearing from our local officials is that the distribution still isn't working right, so it feels like until those get addressed, it doesn't matter how many millions of doses are sitting somewhere.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 5 February 2021 16:08 (three years ago) link

Good thing we have from Feb to June to sort it out then

a (waterface), Friday, 5 February 2021 16:11 (three years ago) link

avg daily doses administered has tripled over the course of the past month in the US

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 5 February 2021 16:14 (three years ago) link

Lots can go wrong obv but, wow, imagine if we'd had politicians who care about governing in charge last February and March.

Good thing we have from Feb to June to sort it out then

Well, yeah. But, I just don't have a lot of faith that the states that have absolutely fucked this up so far are suddenly going to have a complete change in leadership by June.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 5 February 2021 16:28 (three years ago) link

yes, you've made that clear, repeatedly

Ăśberschadenfreude (sleeve), Friday, 5 February 2021 16:30 (three years ago) link

yes, you've made that clear, repeatedly

I continue to point out a problem because the problem still exists, yes.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 5 February 2021 16:34 (three years ago) link

jon if a big part of the reason that states are fucking it up is the lack of a coordinated federal effort then your skepticism that anything will now change seems unfounded no?

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 5 February 2021 16:49 (three years ago) link

I hope its unfounded! But I don't think it's lack of a coordinated federal effort slowing things down here, it's how the state is distributing down the chain that seems to be the challenge.

I need to stop looking at the data, dips like this week aren't helping my pessimism.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 5 February 2021 17:00 (three years ago) link

The problem mainly lies with the fact that government is still the only place to get a vaccine. I don't think it's gonna be that much longer before they have enough of it that you'll be able to get the shot at CVS or Walgreen's or Walmart or Target or...or...or...

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 5 February 2021 17:01 (three years ago) link

MAGA! (And an ode to joy & Canada first too)

Developing countries won’t be so lucky. According to the same report, 84 of the world’s poorest states won’t get enough vaccines to achieve herd immunity until 2024—an inequity that Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the head of the World Health Organization, recently called a “catastrophic moral failure.”

The reasons for the delay are pretty basic: In their panic to protect their own citizens, rich countries are “hoarding” supplies, as South African President Cyril Ramaphosa put it at the World Economic Forum’s annual conference on Tuesday. A recent New York Times analysis shows that Ramaphosa wasn’t exaggerating: The EU has already signed enough future procurement contracts to vaccinate all its citizens twice over; the United States has locked in four times the doses it needs, and Canada six.

All cars are bad (Euler), Friday, 5 February 2021 17:06 (three years ago) link

it's almost as if global capitalism is a death machine and western liberal democracy never existed.

The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Friday, 5 February 2021 17:15 (three years ago) link

Meanwhile, Americans go on about how they're not getting vaccinated fast enough.

All cars are bad (Euler), Friday, 5 February 2021 17:20 (three years ago) link


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