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just found out my folks are finally in line to get their first shots tomorrow, huge relief on my psyche

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:04 (three years ago) link

great news Ned, Alfred, suzy, and dan! glad to hear more ilxors and/or ilxor family members getting shots.

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:48 (three years ago) link

(thank god I caught the typo before I sent that)

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:48 (three years ago) link

"Thanks, but they prefer pants to shorts."

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:50 (three years ago) link

my folks (mom and stepdad + dad) have all at least gotten their first shots and are scheduled for their second next week. it's pretty cool

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:53 (three years ago) link

woohoo!!!

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:56 (three years ago) link

USA rolling 7-day average deaths per day dropped under 3,000 for the first time since January 8th (32 days ago):

https://i.imgur.com/2Ym5n3G.png

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 05:12 (three years ago) link

3,265 people died today, which is... staggering.

USA should pass 500k deaths ~Feb 17th. Half of USA COVID deaths occurred in the past three months between Nov 17 - Feb 17.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 05:17 (three years ago) link

Good long read on the school dilemma.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/10/magazine/school-reopenings-rhode-island.html

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 14:35 (three years ago) link

Yeah, this quagmire becomes less psychically burdensome as the people in my life are getting their jabs. My mom and my gf's parents have all had their first, and we each have a brother in the medical field who's received both.

Vladislav Bibidonurtmi (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 14:46 (three years ago) link

I agree with that, but I’d go (not that much) further and say every drug is a global public good and none should have patent protection

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 15:53 (three years ago) link

^^^^

The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 15:58 (three years ago) link

otm.

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:07 (three years ago) link

combine that with full public funding of drug research and I'd be 100% in favor. Also think it would lead to more efficiency in targeting of research toward the most serious and needed areas. Could still allow private companies to deal with more discretionary/lower risk issues.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:15 (three years ago) link

no private companies would do research without gaining a patent and profit motivation, is the argument that always gets made

Nhex, Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:18 (three years ago) link

BREAKING: World Health Organisation (WHO) has recommended Oxford vaccine for over-65s.

— sarahknapton (@sarahknapton) February 10, 2021

scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:42 (three years ago) link

agree with others here that it's not just for the rona that we need to end drug patents, but this would be a start.

All cars are bad (Euler), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:49 (three years ago) link

no private companies would do research without gaining a patent and profit motivation, is the argument that always gets made

― Nhex, Wednesday, February 10, 2021 11:18 AM (thirty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I mean, this is probably true, which is why I said public funding of research. The flipside of the profit motive is that lots of wasteful research gets done, e.g. the development of drugs that are only slight variations on the drug whose patent is about to expire.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:49 (three years ago) link

There are these things called the NIH and CDC and whatnot

Nessun doormat (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:57 (three years ago) link

moderna was paid for up front with public money. can’t wait to hear a pharma rep explain why this was actually bad and has led to bad outcomes

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:58 (three years ago) link

Some good news

GOOD NEWS ALERT: Some tentative evidence in the data that the UK #COVID19 vaccination programme is working.
Case fatality rate for over 80s is down over 30% since early Jan.
CFR for under-80s by contrast down 8%
Based on research from @danielhowdon et al.
More on @skynews tonight pic.twitter.com/1736WQbEEZ

— Ed Conway (@EdConwaySky) February 10, 2021

scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 18:33 (three years ago) link

nice.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 18:35 (three years ago) link

I wrote about the kafkaesque experience of navigating grief during a global pandemic for @LRB https://t.co/PFpm9gJfzP

— No-One (@judeinlondon2) February 11, 2021

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 February 2021 21:43 (three years ago) link

This sounds promising: https://www.yahoo.com/news/israeli-drug-substantially-alleviates-serious-193541719.html

DJI, Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:13 (three years ago) link

The drug, Allocetra, treats the extreme overreaction of the body's immune system seen in some severe coronavirus patients, which can sometimes lead to organ failure and death. The phenomenon is known as a "cytokine" storm.

Yes. This is good. The "cytokine" storm phenomenon happens with more diseases than covid-19, but sadly the article doesn't address whether this drug is specific to covid-19 or able to treat patients suffering a "cytokine" storm prompted by other pathogens.

Compromise isn't a principle, it's a method (Aimless), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:18 (three years ago) link

couple of my friends got into the Novovax trial tht started here today, my bro just missed out :(

2 of 3 get the real vaccine, with an opportunity to get later for the other 1/3rd.

interested in that one as they're the one where they think it might actually prevent transmission.

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:20 (three years ago) link

Meanwhile, Neil Tennant's safe!

meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:24 (three years ago) link

Microchips for all!

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:52 (three years ago) link

Israel: For the first time in the pandemic, there were fewer COVID-19 hospitalizations this week in the 60 y/o and older age group than in the 60 y/o and younger age group

The 60 y/o and older were first to vaccinate and 91% of them have been infected or vaccinated to date pic.twitter.com/adbHlQE8hx

— Eran Segal (@segal_eran) February 11, 2021

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Thursday, 11 February 2021 23:59 (three years ago) link

Wow, it's almost as if vaccines work

4 QAnon Blondes (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 12 February 2021 00:07 (three years ago) link

dat not what da meme said

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Friday, 12 February 2021 00:17 (three years ago) link

I think what is not helping the anxiety levels around here is the frustrating lack of coordination in messaging. Our governor announces that they are expanding the eligibility for the current phase (1b), which sounds like a good thing. Except, mere hours later, we get an email from our mayor that basically said, β€œyes, we saw what the governor said, but that’s not happening here because we are weeks behind and still don’t have enough doses to finish the previous phase”. Of course people are going to be confused and anxious when this is what is going out.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 12 February 2021 06:40 (three years ago) link

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/214693/covid-19-linked-with-wider-symptoms-than

react study reaffirming that the set of covid symptoms the testing system is fixated on is too narrow

Based on these new findings, the researchers estimate that current Pillar 2 testing would pick up around half of all symptomatic infections if everyone eligible were tested. But if the additional symptoms were included, this could be improved to three-quarters of symptomatic infections.

Obviously this will not lead to a change in approach here in uk, if it’s clearly broke don’t fix it is our motto

jammy mcnullity (wins), Friday, 12 February 2021 10:08 (three years ago) link

no one rides the bus any more, but "lockdowns" in the US since spring were not worth the name:

https://i.imgur.com/fpRZ6X2.png

https://covid19.apple.com/mobility

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Friday, 12 February 2021 18:42 (three years ago) link

Can’t wait to get my shots so I can ride the bus without having half a panic attack

Canon in Deez (silby), Friday, 12 February 2021 18:43 (three years ago) link

I miss the bus so much

Canon in Deez (silby), Friday, 12 February 2021 18:43 (three years ago) link

some countries that actually locked down over winter

https://i.imgur.com/UgndYlT.png

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Friday, 12 February 2021 18:43 (three years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/nQbnjl8.png

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Friday, 12 February 2021 18:44 (three years ago) link

could be worse, i suppose

https://i.imgur.com/ZfS7Oqo.png

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Friday, 12 February 2021 18:45 (three years ago) link

I went to catch a bus once in November, for the only time since February, and checking the timetable before leaving found that services had been cut so much that walking for 45 minutes got me there at the time the bus would have left my street

shivers me timber (sic), Friday, 12 February 2021 20:18 (three years ago) link

Here’s what happens when you unnecessarily and knowingly expose children, school staff and their families to increased risk of infection because you failed to put in place in U.K. schools the scientifically recognised mitigations for all indoor spaces where households mix! https://t.co/sSWR0d8dlH

— SafeEdForAll (@SafeEdForAll_UK) February 12, 2021

I know ppl don't like Eric F-D, but the rush to re-open schools more widely in March (and re-open when not enough if the pop have their vaccines) could still make for the next fuck-up.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 13 February 2021 11:31 (three years ago) link

it's already happening where I work - we're set to bring in many of the kids by end of March. very frustrating, especially with the new variant becoming dominant right around then, let alone the likely spike happening from the Super Bowl and this coming vacation week.

Nhex, Saturday, 13 February 2021 14:28 (three years ago) link

Many UK schools have been more than a third full throughout this "lockdown" so community transmission has remained high.

Major D in QAnon (onimo), Saturday, 13 February 2021 15:03 (three years ago) link

The reporting on school is so variable and I can't parse it. It seems dumb to re-open w/o vaccination and teachers are terrified and striking, but an article claims open schools are fine and everyone quotes this for months, but then I heard it reported that the data was bad and some of the schools included in that study WERE ACTUALLY CLOSED at the time their numbers were cited?

Idek

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Saturday, 13 February 2021 15:32 (three years ago) link

Vaccination not a hard requirement for a lot of these people although honestly at this point it seems churlish not to wait until teachers are vaccinated which could be weeks not months in the UK and US.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Saturday, 13 February 2021 15:38 (three years ago) link

another wrinkle - there are teachers who won't get vaccinated, because they're just as foolish as the parents that want to pretend we don't live in a COVID world, which is just awesome. I'm not sure any govt has even attempted to require that teachers get vaccinated

Nhex, Saturday, 13 February 2021 15:49 (three years ago) link


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