Yeah, this quagmire becomes less psychically burdensome as the people in my life are getting their jabs. My mom and my gf's parents have all had their first, and we each have a brother in the medical field who's received both.
― Vladislav Bibidonurtmi (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 14:46 (three years ago) link
An open letter was published in Le Monde today calling on governments to stand against the protection of strong intellectual patent laws for the Covid vaccines, as they should be viewed as global public goods.
An English version can be found here.
― All cars are bad (Euler), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 15:02 (three years ago) link
I agree with that, but Iโd go (not that much) further and say every drug is a global public good and none should have patent protection
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 15:53 (three years ago) link
^^^^
― The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 15:58 (three years ago) link
otm.
― he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:07 (three years ago) link
combine that with full public funding of drug research and I'd be 100% in favor. Also think it would lead to more efficiency in targeting of research toward the most serious and needed areas. Could still allow private companies to deal with more discretionary/lower risk issues.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:15 (three years ago) link
no private companies would do research without gaining a patent and profit motivation, is the argument that always gets made
― Nhex, Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:18 (three years ago) link
BREAKING: World Health Organisation (WHO) has recommended Oxford vaccine for over-65s.— sarahknapton (@sarahknapton) February 10, 2021
― scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:42 (three years ago) link
agree with others here that it's not just for the rona that we need to end drug patents, but this would be a start.
― All cars are bad (Euler), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:49 (three years ago) link
โ Nhex, Wednesday, February 10, 2021 11:18 AM (thirty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I mean, this is probably true, which is why I said public funding of research. The flipside of the profit motive is that lots of wasteful research gets done, e.g. the development of drugs that are only slight variations on the drug whose patent is about to expire.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:49 (three years ago) link
There are these things called the NIH and CDC and whatnot
― Nessun doormat (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:57 (three years ago) link
moderna was paid for up front with public money. canโt wait to hear a pharma rep explain why this was actually bad and has led to bad outcomes
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:58 (three years ago) link
Some good news
GOOD NEWS ALERT: Some tentative evidence in the data that the UK #COVID19 vaccination programme is working.Case fatality rate for over 80s is down over 30% since early Jan.CFR for under-80s by contrast down 8%Based on research from @danielhowdon et al.More on @skynews tonight pic.twitter.com/1736WQbEEZ— Ed Conway (@EdConwaySky) February 10, 2021
― scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 18:33 (three years ago) link
nice.
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 18:35 (three years ago) link
I wrote about the kafkaesque experience of navigating grief during a global pandemic for @LRB https://t.co/PFpm9gJfzP— No-One (@judeinlondon2) February 11, 2021
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 February 2021 21:43 (three years ago) link
This sounds promising: https://www.yahoo.com/news/israeli-drug-substantially-alleviates-serious-193541719.html
― DJI, Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:13 (three years ago) link
The drug, Allocetra, treats the extreme overreaction of the body's immune system seen in some severe coronavirus patients, which can sometimes lead to organ failure and death. The phenomenon is known as a "cytokine" storm.
Yes. This is good. The "cytokine" storm phenomenon happens with more diseases than covid-19, but sadly the article doesn't address whether this drug is specific to covid-19 or able to treat patients suffering a "cytokine" storm prompted by other pathogens.
― Compromise isn't a principle, it's a method (Aimless), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:18 (three years ago) link
couple of my friends got into the Novovax trial tht started here today, my bro just missed out :(
2 of 3 get the real vaccine, with an opportunity to get later for the other 1/3rd.
interested in that one as they're the one where they think it might actually prevent transmission.
― he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:20 (three years ago) link
Meanwhile, Neil Tennant's safe!
― meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:24 (three years ago) link
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pet-shop-boys-neil-tennant-181224480.html
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/538523-biden-says-us-will-have-enough-doses-to-vaccinate-every-american-by-july?
― he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:36 (three years ago) link
Microchips for all!
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:52 (three years ago) link
Israel: For the first time in the pandemic, there were fewer COVID-19 hospitalizations this week in the 60 y/o and older age group than in the 60 y/o and younger age groupThe 60 y/o and older were first to vaccinate and 91% of them have been infected or vaccinated to date pic.twitter.com/adbHlQE8hx— Eran Segal (@segal_eran) February 11, 2021
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Thursday, 11 February 2021 23:59 (three years ago) link
Wow, it's almost as if vaccines work
― 4 QAnon Blondes (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 12 February 2021 00:07 (three years ago) link
dat not what da meme said
― he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Friday, 12 February 2021 00:17 (three years ago) link
I think what is not helping the anxiety levels around here is the frustrating lack of coordination in messaging. Our governor announces that they are expanding the eligibility for the current phase (1b), which sounds like a good thing. Except, mere hours later, we get an email from our mayor that basically said, โyes, we saw what the governor said, but thatโs not happening here because we are weeks behind and still donโt have enough doses to finish the previous phaseโ. Of course people are going to be confused and anxious when this is what is going out.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 12 February 2021 06:40 (three years ago) link
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/214693/covid-19-linked-with-wider-symptoms-thanreact study reaffirming that the set of covid symptoms the testing system is fixated on is too narrow Based on these new findings, the researchers estimate that current Pillar 2 testing would pick up around half of all symptomatic infections if everyone eligible were tested. But if the additional symptoms were included, this could be improved to three-quarters of symptomatic infections.Obviously this will not lead to a change in approach here in uk, if itโs clearly broke donโt fix it is our motto
― jammy mcnullity (wins), Friday, 12 February 2021 10:08 (three years ago) link
no one rides the bus any more, but "lockdowns" in the US since spring were not worth the name:
https://i.imgur.com/fpRZ6X2.png
https://covid19.apple.com/mobility
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Friday, 12 February 2021 18:42 (three years ago) link
Canโt wait to get my shots so I can ride the bus without having half a panic attack
― Canon in Deez (silby), Friday, 12 February 2021 18:43 (three years ago) link
I miss the bus so much
some countries that actually locked down over winter
https://i.imgur.com/UgndYlT.png
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Friday, 12 February 2021 18:43 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/nQbnjl8.png
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Friday, 12 February 2021 18:44 (three years ago) link
could be worse, i suppose
https://i.imgur.com/ZfS7Oqo.png
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Friday, 12 February 2021 18:45 (three years ago) link
I went to catch a bus once in November, for the only time since February, and checking the timetable before leaving found that services had been cut so much that walking for 45 minutes got me there at the time the bus would have left my street
― shivers me timber (sic), Friday, 12 February 2021 20:18 (three years ago) link
Hereโs what happens when you unnecessarily and knowingly expose children, school staff and their families to increased risk of infection because you failed to put in place in U.K. schools the scientifically recognised mitigations for all indoor spaces where households mix! https://t.co/sSWR0d8dlH— SafeEdForAll (@SafeEdForAll_UK) February 12, 2021
I know ppl don't like Eric F-D, but the rush to re-open schools more widely in March (and re-open when not enough if the pop have their vaccines) could still make for the next fuck-up.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 13 February 2021 11:31 (three years ago) link
it's already happening where I work - we're set to bring in many of the kids by end of March. very frustrating, especially with the new variant becoming dominant right around then, let alone the likely spike happening from the Super Bowl and this coming vacation week.
― Nhex, Saturday, 13 February 2021 14:28 (three years ago) link
Many UK schools have been more than a third full throughout this "lockdown" so community transmission has remained high.
― Major D in QAnon (onimo), Saturday, 13 February 2021 15:03 (three years ago) link
The reporting on school is so variable and I can't parse it. It seems dumb to re-open w/o vaccination and teachers are terrified and striking, but an article claims open schools are fine and everyone quotes this for months, but then I heard it reported that the data was bad and some of the schools included in that study WERE ACTUALLY CLOSED at the time their numbers were cited?
Idek
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Saturday, 13 February 2021 15:32 (three years ago) link
Fwiw https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/upshot/schools-reopening-coronavirus-experts.html
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Saturday, 13 February 2021 15:37 (three years ago) link
Vaccination not a hard requirement for a lot of these people although honestly at this point it seems churlish not to wait until teachers are vaccinated which could be weeks not months in the UK and US.
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Saturday, 13 February 2021 15:38 (three years ago) link
another wrinkle - there are teachers who won't get vaccinated, because they're just as foolish as the parents that want to pretend we don't live in a COVID world, which is just awesome. I'm not sure any govt has even attempted to require that teachers get vaccinated
― Nhex, Saturday, 13 February 2021 15:49 (three years ago) link
Fwiw we just had some kids test positive at our school during the mandatory weekly covid testing (that public schools absolutely canโt afford), and it turned out they had gone to a Super Bowl party on Sunday with 8 other students. As a teacher, thatโs one of the things about being back that makes me most nervous, that kids will socialize maskless, and then will need to eat lunch indoors with each other at school.
― horseshoe, Saturday, 13 February 2021 15:56 (three years ago) link
oh god, don't get me started on lunch. Right now at least we're in a half-day, AM/PM hybrid model so kids don't eat lunch in school at all. can't wait for that bomb to explode.
― Nhex, Saturday, 13 February 2021 16:05 (three years ago) link
saw larry hogan's spokesman bragging that they are providing 4 million tests for schools. he knows how many tests they actually need but also that 4 million is a big enough number to say at a press conference and none of our shitty media outlets will do the math. it's basically dr. evil saying "one million dollars."
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Saturday, 13 February 2021 16:08 (three years ago) link
heโs a prince
― horseshoe, Saturday, 13 February 2021 16:14 (three years ago) link
Eric FD is not a reliable source - he will cite literally anything that sounds bad without verifying.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 13 February 2021 16:29 (three years ago) link
Forgive me if this sounds blasรฉ, but I think we all know the reason why everyone (in the US at least) from scientific "experts" to Biden to local politicians are saying that it's okay to open schools again without full, mandatory vaccination of all teachers, and it has something to do with continuing to allow the gears of capitalism running.
― The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Saturday, 13 February 2021 16:42 (three years ago) link
Or not even continue, but FORCE those gears to run
My dad puts โexpertsโ in scare quotes too
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Saturday, 13 February 2021 16:47 (three years ago) link
I mean, I trust vaccines and contemporary western medicine saved my life. But let's not pretend that some of these experts *might just* be on the side of the ruling classes who want their underlings back at work and not having to look after young children.
― The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Saturday, 13 February 2021 16:52 (three years ago) link