I've loved Terror Twilight since it came out ("Spit on a Stranger" radio premiere and album release day probably the two high points of my middle school years), was surprised to finally learn a few years ago how many don't.
― swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:04 (three years ago) link
OEO, this is why the liners may be lit. It depends on how everyone feels now.
― We’re Up All Night To Get Lochte (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:05 (three years ago) link
Was it Nast who formally named the record?
― We’re Up All Night To Get Lochte (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:07 (three years ago) link
xxxp Yeah, that's in the book... after they were all working on the album for a while, Nast sort of "tests" to see if Nigel knows his name, and it becomes clear that he doesn't.
― babe for the weekend (morrisp), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:08 (three years ago) link
was tweeting about this today but always love silkworm's cover of the hexx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrFpl6_Rq28
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:08 (three years ago) link
Who wanted to call it Farewell Horizontal?
― swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:12 (three years ago) link
Oh, missed that they added that to the reissue title, haha
― swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:24 (three years ago) link
iirc Malkmus wanted to call it Farewell Horizontal and Bob objected and came up with Terror Twilight
― Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:30 (three years ago) link
Glad Bob prevailed there, lol
― babe for the weekend (morrisp), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:53 (three years ago) link
Crazy, I was just googling the other day.... where’s the damn TT deluxe ?!?
― brimstead, Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:56 (three years ago) link
TT is a little boring. “Major Leagues” ... yeah it works great as a stand alone lyric or poem. But maybe not as a tune
― calstars, Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:57 (three years ago) link
album's already deluxe imo
― swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:58 (three years ago) link
xxp he has a good line in the slow century doc where hes like "i just couldnt face spending a year of my life on the 'farewell horizontal' tour"
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:58 (three years ago) link
BTC:
Shady LaneTransport is ArrangedType SlowlyEmbassy RowStarlings in the SlipstreamFin
TT:
Major Leagues...And Carrot RopeAnn Don't CrySpit on a StrangerBillie
So much of TT is Nigel Goodrich applying ten ounces of cleaning varnish to undeserving tracks. It's no embarrassment but I don't need it.
― meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 February 2021 20:00 (three years ago) link
― swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Thursday, February 11, 2021 2:58 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink
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― J. Sam, Thursday, 11 February 2021 20:01 (three years ago) link
Alfred, the TT tracks you like are the ones I’m at best neutral on lol
― We’re Up All Night To Get Lochte (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 11 February 2021 20:25 (three years ago) link
"speak see remember" was the song that got me into pavement
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Thursday, 11 February 2021 20:30 (three years ago) link
I dug the SM + Boombox live version of “Carrot Rope” a lot better.
― We’re Up All Night To Get Lochte (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 11 February 2021 20:45 (three years ago) link
the "godrich removal spell" is to listen to the live bootlegs from 1999 ... some of the TT songs really took off onstage.
― tylerw, Thursday, February 11, 2021 4:28 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
cosigned. first heard The Hexx on the BTC tour at Shepherds Bush Empire and it was immense, almost Sabbath-esque. so disappointed by the TT version. They played Killing Moon as well, which was fabulous. That was definitely the best time I saw Pavement, their guitar soloing was so fluid and lucid back then, almost like Television minus the chops.
― Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Thursday, 11 February 2021 20:51 (three years ago) link
My memory on this re TT is fuzzy but BTC and Real Emotional Trash are cases where I made the mistake of getting real cozy with live bootlegs ahead of the proper records dropping ... and then subsequently being disappointed
― We’re Up All Night To Get Lochte (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 11 February 2021 21:23 (three years ago) link
I think the final two albums suggest a path whereby if Pavement had been more "committed" - lived in the same place, were all into it, maybe honed their "chops," etc. - they could have evolved into a sort of crunchy jam-band version of themselves.
― babe for the weekend (morrisp), Thursday, 11 February 2021 23:39 (three years ago) link
yeah that seems here and there what Malkmus solo turned into
― John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 12 February 2021 00:08 (three years ago) link
Phew, avoided that bullet.
― pplains, Friday, 12 February 2021 01:01 (three years ago) link
At the time I thought Godrich’s production turned the lights up a bit too high for Pavement’s thing... the silliness kind of inadvertently got amped up at the expense of fuzziness/weirdness/artiness/noiziness whatever but it’s also a natural trajectory from BtC. I haven’t listened to it in years and never really took to it but it sounds warm and appealing right now. Saw em live on this tour too and I’m super grateful I did. Just seeing Bob screamin away <3
― brimstead, Friday, 12 February 2021 01:23 (three years ago) link
I’m listening to it now; sounds pretty darn good, I gotta say. Seems to get better with age, somehow. My main objection at this point is that faux British accent that SM affects.
― babe for the weekend (morrisp), Friday, 12 February 2021 01:29 (three years ago) link
Haha, what songs does he do that?
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Friday, 12 February 2021 01:47 (three years ago) link
i don't get on with this band much but i listened to all of their albums when i was trying and there's definitely a new vocal affectation that creeps in on the last couple which is pretty insufferable imo
― Left, Friday, 12 February 2021 02:37 (three years ago) link
xp The opening of “Ann Don’t Cry”; “Billie” (“ought to have a second chance”); etc.
― babe for the weekend (morrisp), Friday, 12 February 2021 02:39 (three years ago) link
“Speak, see, remem-BAH”
― babe for the weekend (morrisp), Friday, 12 February 2021 02:44 (three years ago) link
Is he putting on a fake British accent or is he trying to sound like Mark E. Smith?
― pplains, Friday, 12 February 2021 02:48 (three years ago) link
It doesn’t sound like an MES accent to me (and that’s the only British accent I’m halfway an expert in!); I think maybe he was listening to lots of UK folk or something at the time.
― babe for the weekend (morrisp), Friday, 12 February 2021 02:54 (three years ago) link
This has got me listening to Watery, Domestic and this is one of the few records I simply can't understand what it is to not like, it's about the most perfect 11 minutes of rock ever recorded
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 12 February 2021 03:00 (three years ago) link
it’s their peak for sure
― John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 12 February 2021 03:09 (three years ago) link
(To be fair, he does do the accent thing as far back as “We Dance”)
― babe for the weekend (morrisp), Friday, 12 February 2021 03:10 (three years ago) link
"Fame Throwa" has the accent, probably something earlier?
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 12 February 2021 03:12 (three years ago) link
yeah Watery Domestic is what I’d give to someone who wants to what Pavement is
― Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Friday, 12 February 2021 03:18 (three years ago) link
xp I think he actually is trying to sound like MES on “Fame Throwa” though!
― babe for the weekend (morrisp), Friday, 12 February 2021 03:24 (three years ago) link
Did you remembahIn Decembah
― calstars, Friday, 12 February 2021 03:45 (three years ago) link
as a britisher, this is really amusing to me. like when Taylor Swift sang that song about "Jag-u-ars" and an American friend said she was appropriating the British accent. Maybe so, but it hadn't occured to me that Americans tend to say "Jag-wah", but to me the rhotic 'r' on the end of "jag-u-ar" is still very much a US thing unless you live in Norfolk or the West Country which is a different type of "r" anyway. The start of "Ann Don't Cry" doesn't sound anything other than a US accent other than there's a flatness to the last syllable of "I am not having fun any-mo'" which I hadn't noticed before at all. Quite a few US accents don't use a rhotic 'R' anyway.
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Friday, 12 February 2021 10:58 (three years ago) link
Same with "ought to have a second chance", the "a" in "chance" sounds especially twangy and Southern-US to me. Absolutely can't hear that as either a Southern UK long-a ("charnce") or a Northern short-a ("chah-nce"). It sounds like "chay-nce" to to me, which is a very country music-style thing.
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Friday, 12 February 2021 11:01 (three years ago) link
what a rhotter
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, 12 February 2021 11:03 (three years ago) link
Just listening to the Godrich sequence now for fun https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6zwpCdHkPFjK576gaci8ET?si=N-dLFnmuRLKoxh1GAaxqsA
Starting with Platform Blues does actually make sense - it's a good intro track, with a count-in, an extended guitar "fanfare" to introduce the track. Following it up with The Hexx is bold, but would have heralded quite a switch in style. The original sequence baby-steps its way into the new proggy-sound so it doesn't sound like so big a leap from BTC to this album.
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Friday, 12 February 2021 11:07 (three years ago) link
godrich's touch on terror twilight is immediately apparent, just the way all the instruments sound you can very much tell it was produced by the same guy as the bends & ok computer
― ufo, Friday, 12 February 2021 11:10 (three years ago) link
'We Dance' vocal style was him supposedly trying to imitate The Frogs' quasi-Irish thing
― PaulTMA, Friday, 12 February 2021 11:30 (three years ago) link
yes, Terror Twilgiht has a very nice, round, warm sound which I can see being at-odds with Pavement's former sound but not too disimilar from Malkmus's later stuff (especially Traditional Techniques). I really like the sound on The Bends etc though, and the warm Godrich production on those Radiohead albums stops them sounding like icy, wet misery-thons.
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Friday, 12 February 2021 11:34 (three years ago) link
Didn’t Goodrich also produce the similarly polished sounding Beck snooze fest Sea Change?
― calstars, Friday, 12 February 2021 11:51 (three years ago) link
The downside of the Godrich sequence frontloading the prog tracks is that side 2 seems abnormally light. Also, Spit on a Stranger could theoretically be a good closing track, but it doesn't work as a summing-up in this running order.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 12 February 2021 12:32 (three years ago) link
I still have the TT CD-Rom I won in the Pavement Poetry Contest back in the day. I wonder if that will be included in the Deluxe Edition.
Great The Hexx moment: at one of the reunion shows in 2010 in Central Park, they had to stop playing due to lightning and rain. We waited around a while but had to eventually leave to get back home. As we walked through Central Park in the dark, the band started back up with The Hexx booming through the night with lighting in the sky.
― Rocky Thee Stallion (PBKR), Friday, 12 February 2021 13:03 (three years ago) link
Listened to the Godrich order yesterday; it was interesting. It feels like a conceptual take on the title, where side A is "Terror" and side B is "Twilight." It's compelling, but it does make for a very imbalanced listen. It's also hard to imagine "Carrot Rope" anywhere but the final track.
PBKR tell us more about this CD-ROM?
― american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Friday, 12 February 2021 13:04 (three years ago) link
I was also at that Central Park show! I stayed for most of it but had to leave for the encore. The song I heard them playing as I walked back to the train was "Lions"
― american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Friday, 12 February 2021 13:06 (three years ago) link