The hipster ethos, as promulgated in Vice Magazine, is indistinguishable from Ayn Rand's Objectivism

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(except for ,i>craft)

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

(except for craft)

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

b-b-but porn?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

don't but it...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:49 (twenty years ago) link

don't BUY it, i meant

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

read me: i am old coke

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

b-b-butt porn?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

don't try it, either

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

vice is new coke.

― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

The Vice editor and publisher were all over our early Vice threads, you know. I really thought they were going to give me editorship of Vice India or let me invade Abyssinia for the way I was defending the mag. In fact they just sent me a free Vice book and asked me to write an article about teddy bears.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

Momus I totally respect that you're reppin' for your hood. And of course as an entry-level classicist I have no problem at all with the rehashing of old tropes. But to hear you say that Vice "set the tone" makes me want to say "oh come now" all waggly-finger-like. Vice takes its tone from a lot of American television, esp. cable stuff (Talk Soup, the Daily Show), zips it up with a little profanity & race-baiting/racial commentary (depending on how you look at it), and cribs a few notes from the late Doug Kenny. No shame in most of that! I laughed a couple of times at the last issue I bought! But I don't see them doing much that Jim Goad didn't already do about five times louder in Answer Me! (which I, po-faced puritan that I am, naturally hated).

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

Is the stuff at the link posted above representative of the general content of the magazine?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, i didn't care for jim goad either

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

If you bought Vice, J0hn, you have been ripped off. It's a free magazine.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

if it's got ads in it, it ain't free ma-an

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

vice is boring. i'm out of here!

― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

mis-typed, didn't mean "bought" but "saw"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

as I neither bought nor picked up an issue but only read copies that were in people's houses or recording studios

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:55 (twenty years ago) link

And honestly, I have nothing to add on the racial epithets issue. Language changes.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:55 (twenty years ago) link

ha ha. yeah right, 'sure', j0hn!

― a fool and his money, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:55 (twenty years ago) link

that "language changes" thing is the biggest red herring ever. That "language changes" neither explains nor excuses trust-funded white kids calling each other "nigger" for kicks and pretending that they're only reflecting "new developments in language use."

and yes ok I paid 20 bucks for my copy 'cos it had Momus in it and what of it, then

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:57 (twenty years ago) link

ha ha!!

― a food and his money, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:58 (twenty years ago) link

i stole a copy then gave money to some random person, it's the new commerce

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:59 (twenty years ago) link

ok, that's 100, stop now.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:59 (twenty years ago) link

PUNK ROXXX DISTRIBUTION!!!!! will this regain vice's cool?

"I don't know Jim, 2004 has been a tough year for Vice."
"Listen, Brad, the telethon and the graphs show that Vice has become only marginally cool than it was three years ago and that's not showing alot"

― a fool and money, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:00 (twenty years ago) link

'Saudi' is the new racial epithet, anyway. As in 'I'm the Saudi bitch that you wanna get with' (Peaches, Saudi Bitch).

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:01 (twenty years ago) link

electroclash. heh heh. electroclash is the new dad rock!

― momus telethon network, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:02 (twenty years ago) link

Momus she was just a little congested on the day they tracked the vocal, she's actually saying "naughty"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:03 (twenty years ago) link

Is naughty the new Saudi? Shit, I'm not doing enough coke.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:04 (twenty years ago) link

they got the best raves over there in Naughty Arabia

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:05 (twenty years ago) link

NO no no no NO!! OH GOD JESUS NO!!!! LISTEN, MOMUS, DRUGS ARE COOL!

― vice pr team, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:05 (twenty years ago) link

Is naughty the new Saudi? Shit, I'm not doing enough coke. < / dubya >

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:06 (twenty years ago) link

blount I kiss you with gold spoons

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:07 (twenty years ago) link

Nobody be nasty to me or I'll put you in the Don'ts. I already have the photos.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:07 (twenty years ago) link

if people who write for Vice say bad things about me, nobody'll wanna buy the album I put out in 2001

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:08 (twenty years ago) link

and that would be so 1990!

― m.g. pr, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:09 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.imomus.com/vicesummerisle.jpeg

The wages of sin. Vice, May 2004.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:12 (twenty years ago) link

ooo! so vice have record reviews! kerrazy! its like they've built the space shuttle of magazines!

― ooo, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:14 (twenty years ago) link

yeah but they also gave JAPANTHER a 10.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:16 (twenty years ago) link

Pitchfork on the same Devendra Banhart record:

'You and I listen to more music than anyone in the history of civilization. I don't mean more than your friend or that guy on that message board who seems to know about every buzz-worthy leaked CD before anyone else, but rather, more than any previous generation of active music fans. Think about all our MP3s and CDRs, the stuff we actually buy, and then add in the music we hear once and immediately declare isn't worth the 45 seconds we spent with it. It almost seems ridiculous, because ultimately, few of us would be willing to recommend more than but a few songs (let alone albums) to anyone outside our close-knit music circles. Digital media was supposed to satisfy the audiophiles with better sound and the businessmen with yet another kind of product to convince us...' [continued page 259 of 'Issues in Audio Marketing Today']

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:19 (twenty years ago) link

Mark S I found a worthy replacement for $Ayn$

http://www.cc.utah.edu/~cjw4761/main/pict/suprandc.jpg

― jesus nathalie (nathalie), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:21 (twenty years ago) link

Momus for a guy who's read his Derrida you sure are into the binary oppositions: one need not read Vice or Pitchfork, y'know

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:22 (twenty years ago) link

I make money writing for magazines. I say that with Vice-like directness. The mags I enjoy reading myself are the ones I can't read. Japanese ones, mostly.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:26 (twenty years ago) link

Momus you should write for Heat!

Re: Rand I do like it that she named herself after her typewriter.

― Presario Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:26 (twenty years ago) link

('Directness' is not incompatible with an Unreliable Narrator, though. No binary opposition there.)

I don't like the look of Heat because it's one of those faux-American British mags that came along with cluttered page layout and clunky faux-American typefaces and reviews of Hollywood rubbish. It's a classic 'inferiority complex exploitation' magazine for British people who wish they were, you know, Robert De Niro.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:29 (twenty years ago) link

Whereas Vice is a mag that came to New York from Canada and made Americans wish they were Canadian. A much more interesting development. Strike in the heart of the motherland!

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:31 (twenty years ago) link

But Momus, Vice reads like a magazine written by a bunch of people who wish they were Americans! For true!

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:33 (twenty years ago) link

No, it reads like a magazine written by people who wished they were Americans, then realised how much cooler they were when they got there, and proceeded to take revenge by turning the tables and making Americans feel totally inadequate.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:34 (twenty years ago) link

haha - riiight

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:35 (twenty years ago) link

well we're gonna have to agree to disagree ¥et again 'cause to me it reads like people who either are American or are doing a pretty fine job of sounding like willfully ugly Americans

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:36 (twenty years ago) link

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