yeah otm
― mookieproof, Saturday, 20 February 2021 03:37 (three years ago) link
and no real explanation for why they thought the space rover could go through the hex without it and rambeau turning into something else, no explanation for why the rover couldn't in the end go through but rambeau could, no explanation for why rambeau's clothes and mind don't change when she goes through
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 20 February 2021 03:37 (three years ago) link
just generally.... not as crispy put together as every other episode up to this point
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 20 February 2021 03:38 (three years ago) link
Rambeau could because she had already been rewritten on a molecular level twice and parts of her got in once again when the rover attempted to breach it. she was the only one who'd been in there twice, so the "change" probably didn't happen because she's now got superpowers (which were completed when she went through the third time, hence the blue eyes). the transformations don't 'work' on her anymore.
Monica panicked and said the Hex was being "rewritten" (or something like that) when someone else optimistically said it was degrading. and stuff kept going haywire inside the hex, especially inside Wanda's house, all episode. the Hex is a very different thing now that she expanded the territory by 8 miles, unstable, not operating the same as it has previously.
― if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 February 2021 03:44 (three years ago) link
the Hex is a very different thing now that she expanded the territory by 8 miles, unstable, not operating the same as it has previously
awfully precise there, hayward
― mookieproof, Saturday, 20 February 2021 03:53 (three years ago) link
Monica panicked and said the Hex was being "rewritten"
Oh maybe I misunderstood the line, I thought they were saying the rover was being torn apart and Rambeau was saying no it (the rover) is being rewritten (i.e. turned into a station wagon)
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 20 February 2021 03:56 (three years ago) link
I could see that making sense too. I didn't really worry myself too much about the 'how' behind things, but i definitely assumed Monica got in because now she's kind of a mutant or someone with superpowers. I think the fact that she requested such a hefty rover suggested that they thought it might be difficult to get it through (even though previously they'd gotten things like drones and well, Monica through). probably also to protect against any Wanda attacks, but they seemed prepared for resistance.
btw I can't get that Agatha theme song out of my head
― if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 February 2021 04:00 (three years ago) link
the other wrinkle is they're no longer broadcasting a signal outside the hex, so even though they were ostensibly shooting a show inside it (a Modern Family knockoff), maybe the fact that there was no signal meant that you didnt' just get 'recast' as soon as you entered it.
ah well. back to Babylon 5!
― if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 February 2021 04:01 (three years ago) link
I interpreted the 2001/fourth wall-shattering scene as Monica holding onto her personality and memories, fighting the Hex trying to shift her back into the sitcom personalities. that's why we hear all the audio from Captain Marvel, as we did when she was blipped back into existence
― Nhex, Saturday, 20 February 2021 04:32 (three years ago) link
I genuinely have no idea what's wrong with some of you.
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, February 13, 2021 10:14 AM (six days ago)
hmm...
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Friday, 19 February 2021 15:44 (yesterday)
Yeah, fair enough, I called this wrong and was a dick about it, sorry. I had too much faith in the show creators. I did a few times consider (and I'm aware there is absolutely no compulsion for anyone to believe me on this) saying "The one thing they could do is end of Episode 7: hahaha it was me all along - Episode 8: flashback to WTF 'me' is - Episode 9: climax" - but I didn't because I just thought it would be a weird and non-MCU thing to do.
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 20 February 2021 09:43 (three years ago) link
I think there's also a thing where the nature of sitcoms is that they're a retreat from reality and to an extent* modernity - you don't get military installations in there for theme rather than era reasons. If she'd gone through in a station wagon, she might be fine :)
On a purely technical thing, Modern Family's last episode was last year, but it's now 2023 in the MCU - maybe a less cutting-edge rover might work.
Lost opportunities: Wanda Maximoff, Wanda Maximoff
Darcy's "the love the two of you share is real" exactly the kind of corny line that the lower-tier mcu movies are larded with, delivered straight
I mean, it's a romance? The Vision didn't exactly go "Yeah, you're right, now I feel at ease about it all"
*I may be talking out of my hole here as regards the older ones, I admit.
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 20 February 2021 09:57 (three years ago) link
"Side effects: more depression"
― Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Saturday, 20 February 2021 10:36 (three years ago) link
Have I missed mid or post credits scenes on all the episodes prior to this week. Caught this week's one.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 20 February 2021 14:56 (three years ago) link
this is the first i think
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 20 February 2021 15:16 (three years ago) link
When i was a kid Agatha was not evil iirc ... dangerous, but an ally. Did she become more of an outright villain in the comics during the 90s and later?In any case, I’m glad it’s her, great character
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 20 February 2021 15:26 (three years ago) link
So for reference here are the acknowledged character creators chronologically (have fun sic!):
Jimmy Woo - Al Feldstein, Joe Maneely (1956)Scarlet Witch - Jack Kirby, Stan Lee (1964)Quicksilver - Jack Kirby, Stan Lee (1964)Vision - Roy Thomas, John Buscema (1968)Agatha Harkness - Jack Kirby, Stan Lee (1970)Monica Rambeau / Captain Marvel 2 / Photon / Pulsar / Spectrum - Roger Stern, John Romita Jr (1982)Tommy and Billy - Steve Englehart, Richard Howell (1986)S.W.O.R.D. - Joss Whedon, John Cassady (2004)Darcy Lewis - J Michael Straczynski for the first Thor film (2011)
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:10 (three years ago) link
This seems to bring us to current times in sitcom land, unless next episode is a Schitt's Creek theme.
― akm, Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:14 (three years ago) link
Would be great if suddenly the next episode was set in Westview, New Brunswick.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:19 (three years ago) link
I know it won’t happen but I would probably die if the next one was Twin Peaks: The Return themed.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:35 (three years ago) link
Who'd be the house band?
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:45 (three years ago) link
dazzler
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:45 (three years ago) link
Better Call Wanda
― Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:46 (three years ago) link
That’s funny because reading you guys talk about this show, it does sound like MCU Twin Peaks or something.
― stuck in the version layer (morrisp), Saturday, 20 February 2021 17:10 (three years ago) link
Well out of the gate with the runup to the first episode reviewers were dropping "It's very Lynchian" takes and things which, um, no, but if the first episodes were like anything it was like On the Air, as I half mumbled before.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 20 February 2021 18:17 (three years ago) link
closest this got to lynch was the dinner party.
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 20 February 2021 18:27 (three years ago) link
lol otm. the repeated "stop its" kinda felt Lynchian.
really this is just sort of the first horror/thriller entry in the MCU series.
― if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 February 2021 18:28 (three years ago) link
single tear from halloween mom stuck in idle loop by "her" (clearly agatha now and not wanda) seemed like a conscious nod to Get Out, yes.
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 20 February 2021 18:31 (three years ago) link
i just noticed that's Kathryn Hahn's voice singing in the Agatha All Along song with the Lopez's credited with The Munsters Theme swipe.let's see if this works:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QYf8J6kBAg
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 20 February 2021 18:35 (three years ago) link
definitely a male voice
I'm not so definite?
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 20 February 2021 18:40 (three years ago) link
knowing that it's her actually singing it just makes that song even more delightful
― Nhex, Saturday, 20 February 2021 18:58 (three years ago) link
I didn't know she sang, that is dope
― if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 February 2021 19:01 (three years ago) link
When i was a kid Agatha was not evil iirc ... dangerous, but an ally. Did she become more of an outright villain in the comics during the 90s and later?
― Tuomas, Saturday, 20 February 2021 21:18 (three years ago) link
Tommy and Billy - Steve Englehart, Richard Howell (1986)
― Tuomas, Saturday, 20 February 2021 21:28 (three years ago) link
So did Agatha create the kids? Create the dog? Create Pietro? Heck, create and expand the hex? Is this something in line with her powers in the comics?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 February 2021 21:47 (three years ago) link
Kinda like how Groot first appeared in a 1960 horror comic by Jack Kirby, but the version of him that everyone loves (who's only similarity to horror version is being a sentient tree alien) was only introduced in the Annihilation: Conquest crossover in 2007 by Keith Giffen, who wanted to repurpose some obscure Marvel space aliens for his Star-Lord miniseries.(xpost)
― Tuomas, Saturday, 20 February 2021 21:48 (three years ago) link
― Tuomas, Saturday, 20 February 2021 22:05 (three years ago) link
Yes, Billy and Tommy were shown to be born in The Vision and the Scarlet Witch miniseries in 1986 by Englehart and Howell. But in that one, and in Englehart's West Coast Avengers run they weren't really proper characters
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 20 February 2021 22:11 (three years ago) link
Oh, and in the comics Wanda's magical powers are explained by her being a "nexus being" - a sort of a personification of the magic of the universe, of which there are only one in each parallel universe. That's why she's powerful enough to reality-warp the entire Earth, like she did in The House of M. This episode's fake ad with the "Nexus" brand antidepressant was clearly a nod to all that.(xpost)
― Tuomas, Saturday, 20 February 2021 22:11 (three years ago) link
they're not really proper characters here yet either!
― Tuomas, Saturday, 20 February 2021 22:19 (three years ago) link
that's a terrible way to talk about the Englehart family.
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 20 February 2021 22:37 (three years ago) link
Lol.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 20 February 2021 22:43 (three years ago) link
First comics appearance of Agatha I remember is as Franklin Richards' babysitter, and she was good at that point, if fearsome.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Monday, 22 February 2021 13:30 (three years ago) link
Biggest questions that remain for me right now:
Are the kids real, and where did they come from?How was Vision brought back to life (with independent agency), and how/why did Wanda steal his body (assuming she actually did)?What is Agatha's goal? Is there any chance she is *not* the baddie at all, not even a secondary baddie, and this is an exercise in tough love to spark new Wanda powers into existence? (Which would be more in line with her comic book version)?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 February 2021 14:28 (three years ago) link
Are the kids real, and where did they come from?
Well Josh, when an android and a witch love each other very much...
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 22 February 2021 14:31 (three years ago) link
I'm assuming that the eighth episode will be addressing the main concern of non-comics fans, which is "Who the fuck is Agatha Harkness?", so at least your fifth question has a decent chance?
xp Tracer I sat on my hands for that specific joke :)
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 22 February 2021 14:32 (three years ago) link
willing to make the obvious joke on dis ting since 2001
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 22 February 2021 14:34 (three years ago) link
if we assume that the show's meta-asides are to be taken as messages from a reliable narrator (as they have so far wrt theme lyrics, visual asides suggesting not all is as it seems), Agatha is described in the song as insidious, perfidious and "messing up everything." She also admits to killing a dog with Wicked Witch of the West flair which is a cancelable offense these days so i figure her as a straight-up baddie, potentially in league with larger baddies tbd but likely already mentioned in this thread.
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 22 February 2021 15:18 (three years ago) link
Worth noting (or not, who even knows anymore) that, in the comics, Sparky is not a real live organic dog but rather a synthezoid dog created by Vision.
― The Mandolinrainian (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 February 2021 15:21 (three years ago) link
next ep to be directed by Tim Burton, focus on Agatha's father
― if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Monday, 22 February 2021 15:22 (three years ago) link
We don't even know what's "real"/permanent in this world yet, so maybe the dog was, yeah, not real. I guess we'll see soon enough if she's a baddie or what kind of baddie she is. I only know Hahn as a comedic actor. Does she have compelling drama chops, too, that would make her a convincing villain? That's sort of another reason I think she may not be a villain, she seems like a good character to want/have around.
In this world, safe to assume Dr. Strange knows about this ongoing magical anomaly, right? What is his relationship with Agatha in the comics? Peers? Rivals?
For that matter, why is everything being directed like a TV show, or different eras of TV shows, at all? And why was it glitching last episode?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 February 2021 15:40 (three years ago) link