Defenestrate Them All: Canadian Politics 2021

P sure it's the first time I've seen a political representative actually listen and get something done in response to appeals from anyone I know.

Same here, heh. I'm amazed and happy to see that it paid off.

I watched the full panel discussion from the CBC Gem link. It was good, I thought. Salomon made a number of good points.

The most talked about news item in sovereignist circles right now is...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-u-s-trudeau-parti-quebecois-1.5922938

Good on them for caring about history, I guess?

that pic of PET, lol

definitely looks like he's plotting some cheeky political interference there

More like Pierre Elliott Trolleau amirite.

xxxxxp That's really good news, sund4r.

Thanks!

"Canadian Pacific chairman Ian Sinclair, who is the country's most influential businessman and who has also contacted Trudeau for guidance, tells me he didn't get a pull-out signal but got no encouragement to hang in," the telegram said.

Lol. Tbh, I wouldnt put it past PET to scheme like that but this is also v nebulous, all "suggests", "might", "thinks", etc. And it's p obvious that the "anglo capitalist elite" didn't need a conspiracy in order to want to flee a PQ government. The RCMP espionage of the PQ, which we know to be fact, is far more damning, honestly.

If anyone hasn't seen the multi-part NFB doc The/Les Champions about Trudeau, Levesque, and their rivalry, btw, it's v good (and available in both languages).

If you want to have a bit of fun, try arguing with this crowd:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Quebec/comments/lqgg0x/pierre_trudeau_may_have_asked_business_leader_to/

Vassago81
7 hours ago
J'suis prêt a payer plus cher de taxe scolaire pour que son visage soit imprimé dans le fond des urinoires et toilettes dans toutes les écoles.

BrewmasterOfPuppet
7 hours ago
Doublez mes taxes!!!

MrNonam3
Vallée des rivières
36 minutes ago
Je pense qu'il est temps que je me parte un rituel où je brûle sa photo tout en chantant Gens du Pays et embrassant une photo de papa Lévesque.

:D

If anyone hasn't seen the multi-part NFB doc The/Les Champions about Trudeau, Levesque, and their rivalry, btw, it's v good (and available in both languages).

― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Tuesday, February 23, 2021 12:23 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

there was some discussion about this years ago, not sure which thread it was on, it is definitely worth watching

tempted to switch dn to "Doublez mes taxes!!!"

Not sure what to make of this. We knew things were slowed down but it's hard not to empathize with the replies. What's it looking like in other provinces?

Ontario will begin vaccinating people in the community in the 3rd week of March.

Week of Mar 22: 80+
April: 75+
May: 70+

The online booking portal will be available March 15.

— Colin D'Mello CTVNews (@ColinDMello) February 24, 2021

The NFB site still has the entirety of The Champions online.

Twitter wants me to know about this: https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2021/02/24/pierre-elliott-trudeau-traitre-a-son-peuple

So proud of our Eric Zemmour knockoff.

Ugh, as though the hotel quarantine wasn’t enough of an ordeal as is:

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/man-charged-in-alleged-sexual-assault-at-dorval-quarantine-hotel

sund4r: i was reading yesterday that Ontario is behind most provinces for % vaccinated, locations set up and for getting an online portal.

not a lot of details in BC yet. I read a column this morning suggesting the 80+ crowd will need to sign up for this to register for their appointment, which I can't see going well.

I was just thinking about the same thing when they were talking about online vaccination appointments on cp24. For people 75 and over, and they don’t think to make it easy to do by phone?

first, you need to upload three (3) tiktoks

Breaking down the poll’s results by demographic and regional subsamples, this new data indicates that the PCs have no visible weak spot: The party leads its main rivals among both male and female voters, and is ahead by double-digits in every age group—including a 20-point lead with voters aged 50-64, and a 24-point lead with the 65+ demographic. Additionally, Ford is either statistically tied or ahead in every polling region of Ontario, and enjoys a crushing 26-point lead in the seat-rich 905 region.

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/338canada-the-dominance-of-doug-fords-pc-party/

pathetic shit-eating province of losers

It’s cool, we’ve got you covered.

just realized we have a "worst canadian province" thread but it's from the pre-poll days....

Let’s not go there.

Now, ‘worst Canadian territory’ on the other hand...

I'm in Ontario but I just booked my dad's vaccine appointment in Alberta last night despite the nightmarish rollout, some light at the end of the tunnel

https://montrealgazette.com/news/quebec/legault-government-names-minister-in-charge-of-fighting-racism

did they deliberately go looking for the whitest motherfucker they could find

You’d think Lionel Carmant or Nadine Girault would have been a better fit but I guess Legault prefers to tokenize them elsewhere.

Anyway, it’s a step up from outright denying the existence of systemic racism.

“I think there will be a lot of knee-jerk reaction. Let’s give the runner a chance.”

counterpoint: jerk actions necessitate knee-jerk reactions

Legault and Charette continued to insist systemic racism does not exist in Quebec and that the formula they have chosen to fight racism works.

Never mind, I should’ve read the article first.

“The nomination of Mr. Charette to such a position sends a clear message,” said Max Stanley Bazin, president of the Black Coalition of Quebec. “That message is that the government of Quebec wants to make the fight against racism a priority.”

well I agree with the first part

“I don’t deny racism exists — on the contrary,” Charette said. “What bothers me about the expression is that it creates a false sense of security, to put the blame on others. If we retreat behind a concept which is very vague, poorly defined, it removes the responsibility we all have (to act).”

So is it just the phrase they don't like? These seem like tedious quibbles.

Anyway, there can be systemic racism and also individual racism, right?

no there can only be one kind

The burden of proof for systemic racism to be recognized as such in Quebec is exceedingly high – if it’s not literally Jim Crow and/or apartheid, we’re golden. Apparently it’s really hard to hold together these two thoughts at the same time: ‘systemic racism in Quebec is technically less of a problem than it is in the US’ and ‘systemic racism in Quebec is still a serious problem that needs to be addressed posthaste’. The persistent narrative (within some circles) according to which white French Canadians were treated as badly as black Americans or very nearly is also to blame for this state of affairs.

On a more personal note, one thing I often wonder about is: how do we categorize discrimination against people with exotic-sounding names?

I'll wait to see what he does before judging ofc but... what is he expected to do?

I tried to find the original quote to see if he expanded more or if it was clearer but he just seems to be stressing that it's an individual problem, that everyone needs to look within himself or herself, that people of all races can be equally racist - so what would be the role of a Minister?

Pour M. Charette, le débat sur le racisme systémique « donne un faux sentiment de sécurité [et permet] de rejeter la faute sur l’autre ». « Mais en matière de racisme, on peut tous — qu’on soit noir, blanc, peu importe notre origine — alimenter certains préjugés. Donc si on se replie uniquement derrière un concept qui est très vague, qui est mal défini, ça nous enlève un peu une responsabilité qui nous revient », a-t-il plaidé.

« Peu importe la couleur de notre peau, peu importe nos origines, nous sommes tous susceptibles d’alimenter un racisme, d’alimenter certains préjugés à l’égard de certaines communautés ou de certains groupes, donc la solution est en partie à l’intérieur de chacun d’entre nous », a-t-il affirmé.

Not directly related to Charette, but this piece from a week ago is worth reading:

https://www.lapresse.ca/debats/opinions/2021-02-20/le-mot-en-s-pour-systemique.php

BC finding the best possible use for 16 billion dollars

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/site-c-announcement-friday-1.5928719

i sometimes do market research surveys on this app on my phone (it's tedious and it takes you ages to accrue enough points to get an uber eats $20 gift card or whatever so i don't do it that often) and i got multiple surveys, obviously from the NDP, regarding site C in the last month. i was anticipating some announcement on it imminently but wasn't sure which way it would go.

i feel like probably on a sheer dollar judgement it's probably the right decision - have already sunk so much into it - but im just totally against it on every other consideration

keeping it going after they were elected was such a mistake

i feel like horgan personally doesn't give 2 shits about indigenous sovereignty issues or the environment, and electorally they know that they have the capital and vancouver, so they want to appeal to the resource economy boosters outside the larger cities

Thinking more about the Charette appointment, I realized something didn't sit right with me about Legault's comments:

“I have the impression that had I named someone from a minority group, people would have said, ‘We know very well that the person was named because they were members of a minority,’ ” Legault said. “Yet it is all Quebecers who must fight racism.

He essentially indicates here (and the original French did not help him) that he intentionally chose a white person because he was worried about what people would think, which does not bode well for an anti-racism campaign imo.

Also, the CBC actually trimmed this quote in a generous way imo (from Le Devoir):

« Ce n’est pas parce que quelqu’un est parmi le groupe qui est victime que nécessairement, la personne est mieux placée pour lutter », a fait valoir M. Legault pour justifier son choix de ministre. « On s’adresse entre autres aux personnes qui font partie des Québécois qu’on appelle blancs, ou “de souche”, pour qu’eux autres — s’il y en a une minorité qu’on doit faire changer d’idée — [ puissent ] poser des actions. »

I don't necessarily disagree that someone from outside an oppressed group could do a good job in the fight but the second part (which CBC left out) feels a little off. He wants to also reach out to white "old stock" Quebecers, so that they (or the minority who need to change) can take action too - but why would they need a white Minister to be motivated to do that?

I haven't had a chance to read everything posted today, but yes the "logic" behind not hiring a minority because you're afraid it will seem tokenizing is gross.

There might be some truth to "old whites will only listen to another white about racism" but yikes

I mean seriously, that last bit is more kinda worse than admitting there's systemic racism! "There's no systemic racism, but it is true that white Quebecers are so profoundly racist they will only respect the authority and viewpoints of white people."