in orbit basically otm in my opinion; asking teachers (plenty of whom have seen colleagues and family members die or be grounded with longterm covid) to cope with the risk if they can't access the vaccine or to start back in class immediately after their first poke because the numbers won't be "that bad" suggests a lack of awareness of human behavior.
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 22:34 (three years ago) link
the prior administration simply did not care if america lived or died and the current one is mostly making this shit up as quickly as possible
― All cars are bad (Euler), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 22:48 (three years ago) link
We get it, yes, there is a global imbalance that fucking sucks. Everyone itt is powerful to change that, unfortunately.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 22:55 (three years ago) link
"powerless"
Arguing that schools should be open (regardless of vaccination) and then:
Why *shouldn't* teachers have to go through "the same bullshit" as everyone else?is fucking incredible.
โ Rocky Thee Stallion (PBKR), Tuesday, February 23, 2021 5:27 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Pretty sure I said I was fine with making vaccination of school staff a condition of reopening? At least vaccination for all who want it - you are going to have refusers.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 22:56 (three years ago) link
right, so i'm suggesting that the feds should incentivize taking the vaccine for the good of public health / speed of assimilating semi-immunity into all communities / effective hazard pay and should set up the remaining staff that can't or flatly won't get vaccinated with distance learning/hybrid programs for the foreseeable future. but i'm not seeing anything along those lines happening either.
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 23:45 (three years ago) link
Covid poop coming backStay frosty folks
๐ฌBoston-area MWRA SARS-CoV-2 wastewater update today.Looking a lot less like noise now. pic.twitter.com/qMkq4WN2K3— Nicholas Bauer, PhD ๐จโ๐ฌ๐ฌ (@BioTurboNick) February 24, 2021
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 00:43 (three years ago) link
because we're asking them to be stuck in a room with a group of unrestrained potential virus carriers who are not being tested on a regular basis and who are coming in from different neighborhoods with different levels of infection! because a number of teachers and staff died behind this shit before schools shut down! because getting the kid out of the house so mom and dad (mostly mom) can go to work and earn the rent is a massive priority! because it is a relatively highly skilled job that people have built into lifelong careers that now comes fraught with genuine danger in a way that was never presumed or expected!
― Nhex, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 02:20 (three years ago) link
hand down, man down, mama there goes that man alive
― class project pat (m bison), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 02:22 (three years ago) link
Coronavirus vaccine skepticism has come way down for Black and Hispanic people since last fall. Where skepticism remains high is among white Republicans. Nearly 60% of white Rs will either not take the vaccine or are unsure.@Civiqs tracking: https://t.co/lLKHxCP3IM pic.twitter.com/O1NT9xB4ZF— Drew Linzer (@DrewLinzer) February 23, 2021
republicans! what a world!
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 23:42 (three years ago) link
not the first time their asses are gonna get saved by everybody doing the right thing but them.
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 23:44 (three years ago) link
sad to say but the best case scenario now looks to be that come april or may an enclave of q types are gonna all get sick and die while numbers keep dropping and vaccine availability increases and that's gonna scare the holdouts into finally getting a jab and bitching about it all the way
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 23:46 (three years ago) link
or gates throws the switch in June and all us rubes turn into lizard people running on windows 386, who can say which is more likely
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 23:47 (three years ago) link
if q-ers and q-adjacent holdouts get sick and nobody else does, they'll dig their heels even deeper into their conspiracy-fueled denialism
― little johnny juul (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 23:48 (three years ago) link
"This is ridiculous! It's just the flu!"
"Nah, it's 20 times worse!"
"Who cares? Are you gonna live in FEAR?"
"Well, millions of people will die and hospitals will collapse"
"Fuck you, I'm still doing what I used to"
"Well ok, we'll reopen slowly, but can you wear a mask? That'll mitigate risk"
"No, fuck a mask, fascist! Reopen everything!"
"Well hey there's a vaccine now that should actually allow us to actually do that eventually, want it?"
"Fuck you, I have already compromised enough!"
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 23:51 (three years ago) link
Bit of a very specific San Francisco note but a welcome one that I hope is more broadly the case: at the hospital where I work, the worst of the holiday surge meant something like almost 70 patients in ICU or close to it at one point. Per today's mailout, after a notable decline over the recent weeks, we're down to just 11. Would love to see if we can go back to single digits again by tomorrow or early next week.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 February 2021 17:29 (three years ago) link
SFGH claimed to have discharged their last COVID patient yesterday (I think? maybe the day previous) but with indoor dining reopening, that should fill some beds back up in a week or so.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 25 February 2021 17:33 (three years ago) link
We'll have to see -- we're at 20% of the city population with at least one shot at this point, and that's bound to have been a big part of this, especially with well over half of the 65-and-up populace falling into that category.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 February 2021 17:44 (three years ago) link
I work for a healthcare system with hospitals in Oregon, Washington and Alaska and our ICU numbers are declining at a very similar rate.
― Darin, Thursday, 25 February 2021 17:55 (three years ago) link
we're at 20% of the city population with at least one shot at this point
Wow, that's incredible!
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 25 February 2021 18:05 (three years ago) link
i believe we're at 13% nationally?
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 25 February 2021 18:07 (three years ago) link
14%, at least according to the NY Times. Chicago is at 11.9%.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 25 February 2021 18:10 (three years ago) link
My GF is taking her mom to get a vaccine shot (Pfizer?) at this very moment... Fresno County Fairgrounds yee haw
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 25 February 2021 18:12 (three years ago) link
this is pretty unrigorous eyeballing rather than causal analysis, but this thread makes an uncontroversial observation point:
cases have bottomed out are starting to rise in some countries (continental europe, brazil)
the thread then argues this:
this is happening becuase those countries are either not able to vaccinate as fast as israel/uk/us, are not doing very rigorous lockdowns, or do not have herd immunity to the extent of, e.g. south africa, uk, usa, etc.
... which wouldn't pass peer review without more work, but makes total sense.
NEW: itโs a while since Iโve done a big international Covid thread, but this one feels important.The first six weeks of 2021 have gone rather well in terms of humanityโs fight against Covid.As well as the rollout of vaccines, global cases halved(!) between Jan 11 and Feb 18 pic.twitter.com/bnoxNkUZsu— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) February 25, 2021
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Thursday, 25 February 2021 18:13 (three years ago) link
yeah that passes the smell test
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 25 February 2021 18:19 (three years ago) link
The worst part is, as vaccination increases through spring and early summer, the anti-vaccers will have their asses saved by herd immunity.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 February 2021 18:32 (three years ago) link
I don't know - I wonder about certain ruby red pockets of the US. Will COVID be a constant in some rural areas, slowly become less lethal and eventually be renamed Hillbilly's Cough or whatever?
― Darin, Thursday, 25 February 2021 18:40 (three years ago) link
can we plz not use hillbilly as a pejorative, tyia
― I like signing up to dead sites (sleeve), Thursday, 25 February 2021 18:41 (three years ago) link
point taken
― Darin, Thursday, 25 February 2021 18:48 (three years ago) link
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/K2pB2wVpL3v.9SGh8YUYDw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTUwNC42MzA3ODg0ODU2MDc-/https://media-mbst-pub-ue1.s3.amazonaws.com/creatr-uploaded-images/2020-11/55a82d50-2dce-11eb-9dbf-e504b1a1bd51
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 February 2021 18:48 (three years ago) link
โ Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, February 25, 2021 9:33 AM (one hour ago)
you're gonna go to jail for not calling it ZUCKERBERG San Francisco General Hospital
― Canon in Deez (silby), Thursday, 25 February 2021 19:21 (three years ago) link
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/02/24/more-americans-now-say-academic-concerns-should-be-a-top-factor-in-deciding-to-reopen-k-12-schools/
going back to our earlier conversations about educators needing to be vaccinated before going back to school, this is a pretty stark and clear illustrator of who has been hit hardest and who feels safest.
http://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/ft_2021.02.24_schoolreopening_03.png
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 25 February 2021 20:23 (three years ago) link
pfft but can we really trust this anecdata from uhโฆPewโฆ
― Canon in Deez (silby), Thursday, 25 February 2021 20:32 (three years ago) link
Right wing people donโt give a fuck about teacher safety, who knew
― scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Thursday, 25 February 2021 20:51 (three years ago) link
esp rich right wing people.
That data lines up very consistently with the surveys about reopening schools in our district, fwiw.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 25 February 2021 20:55 (three years ago) link
right wing people will say "oh if you're not 'high risk' (a somewhat meaningless term considering people who weren't died from it), then get your ass to school!"
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 February 2021 20:58 (three years ago) link
While really rich people say, I've haven't had to oversee my own children for this long day after day in... ever, so please open the schools.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 25 February 2021 21:00 (three years ago) link
I think "all school staff who want vaccines have been vaccinated" is a much better benchmark than the nebulous guidelines put forth by the CDC.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 25 February 2021 22:15 (three years ago) link
"really rich" people have their kids in school already. It's called private school. They're open.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 25 February 2021 22:42 (three years ago) link
Yep
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 February 2021 22:52 (three years ago) link
very strange view of of "public health" in this country. either all schools should be shut because there's a communicable disease or they shouldn't be.
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Thursday, 25 February 2021 23:28 (three years ago) link
yeah i had no idea private schools in the US were allowed to be open, thatโs... totally insane to me
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 25 February 2021 23:29 (three years ago) link
They have the money for small class sizes, upgraded HVAC systems, etc. And no pesky teachers' unions trying to keep their members alive.
― DJI, Thursday, 25 February 2021 23:30 (three years ago) link
Private schools should be banned, Iโve been saying this
― Canon in Deez (silby), Thursday, 25 February 2021 23:36 (three years ago) link
agree with that fwiw
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 25 February 2021 23:37 (three years ago) link
it is insane! someone needs to have a word with these people about what public health _is_.
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Thursday, 25 February 2021 23:50 (three years ago) link
― scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Thursday, 25 February 2021 23:53 (three years ago) link
Join the transatlantic club.
― Punk's not daft (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 February 2021 23:57 (three years ago) link
absolutely private schools should be banned and their wealth redistributed to public schools. but the way politicians and journalists are currently talking about teachers unions can be used to further undermine funding for public schools and create more schools on a privatized model. it's true what DJI says, private schools can afford to manage COVID risk well, and public schools can't, which is a fucking disgrace in such a rich country.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 February 2021 23:59 (three years ago) link
i say as a traitor to the public school system, but i've seen both sides, and it would make you want to puke
― horseshoe, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:00 (three years ago) link