SFGH claimed to have discharged their last COVID patient yesterday (I think? maybe the day previous) but with indoor dining reopening, that should fill some beds back up in a week or so.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, February 25, 2021 9:33 AM (one hour ago)
you're gonna go to jail for not calling it ZUCKERBERG San Francisco General Hospital
― Canon in Deez (silby), Thursday, 25 February 2021 19:21 (three years ago) link
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/02/24/more-americans-now-say-academic-concerns-should-be-a-top-factor-in-deciding-to-reopen-k-12-schools/
going back to our earlier conversations about educators needing to be vaccinated before going back to school, this is a pretty stark and clear illustrator of who has been hit hardest and who feels safest.
http://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/ft_2021.02.24_schoolreopening_03.png
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 25 February 2021 20:23 (three years ago) link
pfft but can we really trust this anecdata from uh…Pew…
― Canon in Deez (silby), Thursday, 25 February 2021 20:32 (three years ago) link
Right wing people don’t give a fuck about teacher safety, who knew
― scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Thursday, 25 February 2021 20:51 (three years ago) link
esp rich right wing people.
That data lines up very consistently with the surveys about reopening schools in our district, fwiw.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 25 February 2021 20:55 (three years ago) link
right wing people will say "oh if you're not 'high risk' (a somewhat meaningless term considering people who weren't died from it), then get your ass to school!"
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 February 2021 20:58 (three years ago) link
While really rich people say, I've haven't had to oversee my own children for this long day after day in... ever, so please open the schools.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 25 February 2021 21:00 (three years ago) link
I think "all school staff who want vaccines have been vaccinated" is a much better benchmark than the nebulous guidelines put forth by the CDC.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 25 February 2021 22:15 (three years ago) link
"really rich" people have their kids in school already. It's called private school. They're open.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 25 February 2021 22:42 (three years ago) link
Yep
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 February 2021 22:52 (three years ago) link
very strange view of of "public health" in this country. either all schools should be shut because there's a communicable disease or they shouldn't be.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 25 February 2021 23:28 (three years ago) link
yeah i had no idea private schools in the US were allowed to be open, that’s... totally insane to me
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 25 February 2021 23:29 (three years ago) link
They have the money for small class sizes, upgraded HVAC systems, etc. And no pesky teachers' unions trying to keep their members alive.
― DJI, Thursday, 25 February 2021 23:30 (three years ago) link
Private schools should be banned, I’ve been saying this
― Canon in Deez (silby), Thursday, 25 February 2021 23:36 (three years ago) link
agree with that fwiw
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 25 February 2021 23:37 (three years ago) link
it is insane! someone needs to have a word with these people about what public health _is_.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 25 February 2021 23:50 (three years ago) link
― scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Thursday, 25 February 2021 23:53 (three years ago) link
Join the transatlantic club.
― Punk's not daft (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 February 2021 23:57 (three years ago) link
absolutely private schools should be banned and their wealth redistributed to public schools. but the way politicians and journalists are currently talking about teachers unions can be used to further undermine funding for public schools and create more schools on a privatized model. it's true what DJI says, private schools can afford to manage COVID risk well, and public schools can't, which is a fucking disgrace in such a rich country.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 25 February 2021 23:59 (three years ago) link
i say as a traitor to the public school system, but i've seen both sides, and it would make you want to puke
― horseshoe, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:00 (three years ago) link
fwiw easily the worst educational institution i've ever worked in (facilities, quality of teaching) was a private american ivy.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 26 February 2021 00:01 (three years ago) link
i'm just talking about high schools. several baltimore city high school buildings didn't have heat for multiple winter days last year.
― horseshoe, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:04 (three years ago) link
nobody who writes about the going back to school debate for the times sends their kids to baltimore city public high schools. btw the data on Baltimore city public school families is in, and black families want to send their kids back at much lower rates than white families and Latino families.
― horseshoe, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:06 (three years ago) link
I think the other thing that would be great would be to force all school PTA money into a district-wide pot shared by all the schools.
― DJI, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:06 (three years ago) link
i know it is unreasonable to expect every American to know the kind of constraints American public schools operated under before the pandemic, but i don't think it's unreasonable to expect journalists to
― horseshoe, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:07 (three years ago) link
(btw, the kids still attended school with the buildings unheated. the Sun ran pictures of kids in parkas, hats and gloves chilling in science class.)
― horseshoe, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:09 (three years ago) link
people keep saying this is a rich country but it's not really anymore? it's a poor country that has become good at one thing, legitimizing massive public theft.
― map ca. 1890 (map), Friday, 26 February 2021 00:10 (three years ago) link
well, three people are unconscionably rich and some other comfortable elites avoid using public services which helps contribute to their atrophy. obvs all these people are living off others' labor.
― horseshoe, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:11 (three years ago) link
My boyfriend's kids both go to Catholic schools and they've been in-person all year, apparently no one remembers that one of the APs at his daughter's school was a healthy 40-something father and one of the first educators to die of COVID last winter/spring (admittedly before schools were doing much of anything to protect ppl).
― DJI, Friday, February 26, 2021 12:06 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
This is often proposed in NYC, but never with any seriousness that I can detect. The world would end first.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 26 February 2021 00:12 (three years ago) link
I definitely think forcing everyone to attend public schools would force public schools to be a lot better. You’d also probably need radical changes at the state level for this to be meaningful because it’s too easy for tiny municipalities to each have their own separate schools. I mean, I live in one now. But I recognize that what’s best at the policy level might be counter to the individual interest I’d pursue given the choice.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 26 February 2021 00:12 (three years ago) link
there's a podcast about that iirc
― horseshoe, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:14 (three years ago) link
Also I don’t want to thread jack this into an Ed policy thread but I looked at the PTA idea in detail and the total amount of money raised by the handful of schools with rich PTAs is pretty small and would become not that meaningful spread across the entire city, at least in NYC. Better to just increase funding.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 26 February 2021 00:14 (three years ago) link
yes. like, divert the defense budget.
― horseshoe, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:15 (three years ago) link
what is more in the public interest than educating children? (i am biased.)
However small it might be there is no way on god's green earth that rich white parents would tolerate the funds they raise going to underserved communities, ie Black children. Absolutely no way.
xp Yes I can recommend at least two excellent podcasts on this matter. :)
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 26 February 2021 00:16 (three years ago) link
PTA money isn't that meaningful spread out, but it makes a big difference to the schools that have a lot of it. I agree though - shut down private schools.
― DJI, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:17 (three years ago) link
the whole issue is you can never rely on individual elites to do the right thing. just divert federal funds. but there is no political will to help poor kids, mostly black and brown, who American political elites ignore and whom much of the white electorate looks on as undeserving.
i know you all know this but that david brooks op-ed broke my brain and now it's all i rant about.
― horseshoe, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:17 (three years ago) link
like public schools have been in crisis for decades! afaict noone with any power has cared?
― horseshoe, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:18 (three years ago) link
I went to a community board meeting in Bay Ridge as a representative of my (majority minority) school and put flyers on the table for our community-based program that secured extra funding for the most left-behind kids in the district, and a local (Republican) elected leader spoke AGAINST US because "why should we reward underperforming schools while our children's GOOD schools are going unrewarded for their success?"
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 26 February 2021 00:18 (three years ago) link
i have become so boring. i can hear how boring i have become, but i can't shut up.
oh, i steamed about that one for days. he either mentioned baltimore in it or linked? it made me so angry. xp re: brooks
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Friday, 26 February 2021 00:19 (three years ago) link
xxp Rolling explaining conservatism...
― DJI, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:19 (three years ago) link
I mean if you want to blunt the impact of wealth you have to redistribute wealth. Targeting the PTA funds strikes me as low bang for your buck.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 26 February 2021 00:20 (three years ago) link
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:19 PM (twenty-two seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
David Brooks, defending Black lives against evil teacher's unions!
i am still working through my PTSD from reading it obvs
― horseshoe, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:20 (three years ago) link
anecdotal but around the same time i saw someone tweet that their kid hadn't had asthma attacks while out of school. kids and teachers were exposed to so much even pre-covid and that sentient bag of shit never cared.
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Friday, 26 February 2021 00:20 (three years ago) link
people keep saying this is a rich country but it's not really anymore? it's a poor country that has become good at one thing, legitimizing massive public theft.― map ca. 1890 (map), Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:10 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― map ca. 1890 (map), Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:10 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
this is kind of my point when i say the ivys are under-resourced. the resources that (presumably?) used to fund world class physical infrastructure and teaching resources at the best universities in the world are no longer there. or at least not at the level of the other countries i've taught in (uk, aus, germany).
and if they're not at the ivys then we're screwed. i don't mean to say we should fund the ivys better or that we particularly need this insight to tell us that public schools are in trouble.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 26 February 2021 00:21 (three years ago) link
yep. neither did Larry Hogan. everyone in Baltimore city could die and he'd be thrilled because he knows we didn't vote for him.
― horseshoe, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:21 (three years ago) link
yes, that's a fair point, caek. the problem pretty pernicious at this point.
― horseshoe, Friday, 26 February 2021 00:22 (three years ago) link
larry hogan today said we are getting more than our share of vaccines while 2/3 of our allotment is going to people who don't live here
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Friday, 26 February 2021 00:23 (three years ago) link
he can keep going on meet the press and being asked why he's so cool though