Anarchy Poll and Discussion Thread

for the record the concept or state that i take the sheldon wolin excerpt in the OP to be describing is identified in its final two words, not in its use of “anarchy” near the beginning, tho an opponent of anarchy might argue they are identical. (hobbes himself of course had lived under one state, but even in my ambivalent opinion not the other.) while irl anarchic models seek to incorporate/address many conflicting needs and desires i don’t think they suffer from the specific epistemological chaos described, where there is simply no fundamental agreement on what is true or valued— participation in the process itself; a commitment to the refusal of force; the specifics of whatever system of consensus is used (possibly itself a kind of “irresistible power”? idk) would seem to preclude that. to say “yes but attempting to scale these models up would result in the political breakdown described” is of course valid but a distinct argument going beyond what’s in the excerpt. anyway i am hardly a hobbesian but i think about “like some macabre companion” a lot.

key consensus topic for today that took almost 30 minutes: shall we allocate costs per square foot of gross floor area or some other method and why

however, our process for choosing and acquiring meeting snacks is exceptionally efficient

wait, the pettiest consensus topic that took disproportionately too long to resolve was: whether to use the sort function in excel to organize a spreadsheet or just duplicate the current spreadsheet and delete things we don't need

I support the latter option

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

let the record show 16-12 in favor with 16 abstentions

this is gonna take a while to reach a consensus on, should we get takeout?

I think one of the key things is to have "working groups" that actually work.

― sarahell, Monday, June 15, 2020 2:19 PM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink

I have done paid organizing and I have done mutual aid and I am here to tell you this is otm. My kingdom for a working group that actually works.

should we get takeout?

First, we need to agree on this, then on what kind(s) to order, if any.

okay, has anyone updated the spreadsheet with the members and their dietary restrictions? That would be helpful in deciding

stuff about worker owned co-ops:

https://www.ztangi.org/report-on-a-worker-cooperative-closure/

a response to the first thing:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQlZnYogSFvFshZsxLYFGf7kcpUkRPWTT0xqAk2TzQ1MN9TimqE-DbDS1oE9HgAZAEItXRJ96b7xpLD/pub?urp=gmail_link